I am not saying you're some kind of asshole for not respecting the guy. I am saying that judging someone when you were not there, the "facts" are sketchy and you are guessing what you and animals would instinctively do is self-righteous. You can feel however you want about it, it isn't going to change the way it looks to someone willing to admit that she might have pissed her pants and run off as well.
No offense, but there is a lot of sighing going on over here. I am not claiming anything, unless it's that we have no idea! I was not there, I was not faced with the danger, and I don't feel it is fair to pretend that it's always possible to choose perfectly under pressure.
Um, this happens all the time. Yes, we've all seen some heroic attempts by animal mommies, but we've also seen Planet Earth (etc) where mommy buggers off because there are just too many lions. Please don't try to claim that because there is an instinct to protect, it's totally bogus and unnatural to run in a fog of fear. You're also taking about an "animal" that spends most of its time relying on the thinking mind rather than instinct - the fear he faced would have been extremely confusing.
I will believe what I want, I didn't say you had to respect him, and I'm done with this argument anyway. I'm annoyed that I even got stuck in here talking about this when it is sooooo far from the important point of ... anything
Just didn't translate well. And it was in news reports that he put the kid down on the floor while the mother took the baby. Oh and if you are saying that he thought putting the kid down there to hide then that means he was thinking which Isaac, you and others are implying he wasn't. That would mean he was also thinking when he ran out of the theater and not acting on instinct anymore. And thus logically, he was thinking when he got in his car knowing they were still in there and drove off.
No offense, but there is a lot of sighing going on over here. I am not claiming anything, unless it's that we have no idea! I was not there, I was not faced with the danger, and I don't feel it is fair to pretend that it's always possible to choose perfectly under pressure.
I'd also like Isaac and you and others who think I and others who don't appreciate the man's actions are being judgmental and self-righteous to ask yourself a question. When an animal in nature is faced with immediate danger with its young present, the type of danger that is immediate, meaning it doesn't have any opportunity to hide its offspring from a potential predator until the threat passes - which animal does not instinctively growl, hiss, attack or threaten attack, distract, whatever to protect its young even if it means its own death? Which animal given those circumstances runs off leaving its offspring wide open to the predator to save its own skin?
Um, this happens all the time. Yes, we've all seen some heroic attempts by animal mommies, but we've also seen Planet Earth (etc) where mommy buggers off because there are just too many lions. Please don't try to claim that because there is an instinct to protect, it's totally bogus and unnatural to run in a fog of fear. You're also taking about an "animal" that spends most of its time relying on the thinking mind rather than instinct - the fear he faced would have been extremely confusing.
You can believe whatever you want. I am not being self-righteous, the guy should be embarrassed. I could even understand if he froze which IS a response that can occur instinctively, but he RAN OFF and then got in his car and DROVE OFF. And then to top it off, instead of feeling embarrassed, the guy got on the news and actually talked about it seemingly oblivious as to why some/many people might feel he should just shut up about it and moved on. Think whatever you want but I have NO respect for the guy. Period.
I will believe what I want, I didn't say you had to respect him, and I'm done with this argument anyway. I'm annoyed that I even got stuck in here talking about this when it is sooooo far from the important point of ... anything
If you were in the Aurora theater with your infant, would you leave them him and run to safety?
- 24/07/2012 03:46:16 AM
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If I were in the theatre I would rather die than expose my child to harm.
- 24/07/2012 04:41:34 AM
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I pray I wouldn't be such a coward in those circumstances.
- 24/07/2012 09:21:30 AM
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I'd warn you guys off rendering judgment to freely here
- 24/07/2012 12:40:14 PM
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Yes, people are programmed to survive but they are also programmed to protect their young.
- 25/07/2012 07:51:59 AM
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Programmed or conditioned behavior is not really worthy of praise or scorn, only conscious choice is
- 25/07/2012 02:55:29 PM
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Where did you see that he shoved the kid to the floor?
- 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM
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I was using shoving as in "putting somewhere" no actually pushing down.
- 25/07/2012 07:38:12 PM
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Look
- 25/07/2012 11:06:02 PM
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I have been shot at and it is pretty damn scary
- 24/07/2012 04:05:37 PM
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Yes, that was my thought as well: who takes a baby to a movie?
- 24/07/2012 04:36:29 PM
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I am glad to see you guys are surprised by this
- 24/07/2012 04:47:11 PM
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Yeah, it's rude.
- 24/07/2012 06:41:43 PM
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Mine is six and I wouldn't take her to go see any movie at a midnight show
- 24/07/2012 05:26:18 PM
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way to blame the victim. that doesn't help. no one goes to a theater worrying they might get shot *NM*
- 24/07/2012 05:48:13 PM
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I'm not blaming them for getting shot, just being so rude and thoughtless to begin with.
- 24/07/2012 06:30:32 PM
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It's summer time, I don't think midnight without school to worry about is a big deal
- 24/07/2012 06:00:02 PM
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It is the midnight show which with trailers it starts around 12:15 runs for 164 min
- 24/07/2012 09:42:07 PM
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I don't get it.
- 24/07/2012 04:46:54 PM
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Same here, I was going to post about that before seeing you already had
- 24/07/2012 07:41:27 PM
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No and I certainly wouldn't do interviews or show my face in public after word got out. *NM*
- 24/07/2012 09:43:29 PM
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