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Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM
The republican party's biggest shift is toward the libertarian, on what issue has the GOP gotten 'far too out of hand'? We've stopped pushing for larger military spending, we're easing of foreign intervention, we've gotten a lot more relaxed on both drugs and gay rights, and we haven't moved an inch on guns or abortion while the country has shifted more pro-life and more pro-gun.

You "have not moved an inch on guns or abortion"? So Clintons Assault Weapons Ban is still law, and states requiring pre-abortion cervical probes is not? Thanks for letting me know the GOP is "more relaxed on both drugs and gay rights;" Proposition 8 and Chik-fil-A led me to believe otherwise. Eased off foreign intervention and military spending? How many weeks has it been since the GOP Congress tried to back out of the military cuts in last years eleventh hour debt deal? It seems more like Obama accepted the GOP position on foreign intervention and indefinite imprisonment without trial (despite repudating it during the 2008 campaign.)

Frankly, one of our political parties is insane, and we all know which one it is. They have descended from the realm of reasonableness that was the mark of conservatism. They dream of anarchy, of ended government.


That is no loony lib Dem, it is Reagan economic advisor Bruce Bartlett. JEB says todays GOP would not nominate his father OR Reagan. Most of your base considers TR as much a commie as they do his cousin, and Lincoln an unconstitutional traitor; which of the few great GOP presidents does that leave them to embrace? Yes, it is out of hand; the GOP is well to the right of anything even their own party has ever advocated.
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate Legolas - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 1961 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 954 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 921 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things moondog - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 963 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 1034 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 563 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 959 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people moondog - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 1037 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently Isaac - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 922 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 857 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* Isaac - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 535 Views
They're not enlightened at all. Tom - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 1124 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 947 Views
I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely) LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM 1157 Views
People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain Isaac - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM 864 Views
Thank you for making sense. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 925 Views
voting third party is a good idea moondog - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 915 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 866 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. Joel - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 890 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 1025 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? Joel - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 850 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. Aemon - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 1109 Views
I strongly disagree. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 964 Views
I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting. Legolas - 12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM 1019 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" moondog - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 942 Views
Nice asshatery. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 1102 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 867 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* Stephen - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 446 Views
Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please." Joel - 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM 1304 Views
Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race Isaac - 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM 1068 Views
Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind. Joel - 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM 1002 Views
+1 - Good post. Joel is off the deep end, once again. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 07:42:23 PM 566 Views
I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM 435 Views
Oh dear. Stephen - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 908 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 933 Views
What a shock. Legolas - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 1067 Views
Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM 1158 Views
Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM 877 Views
The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP. Joel - 12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM 1197 Views
Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM 1014 Views
So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?! Joel - 12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM 1003 Views
Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM 804 Views
Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable." Joel - 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM 799 Views
Medicare is 100% unsustainable in it's current format..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:36:13 AM 882 Views
[citation needed] *NM* moondog - 12/08/2012 08:09:44 PM 572 Views
Re: What a shock. Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 1035 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin moondog - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 1034 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1158 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november moondog - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 982 Views
Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green) Joel - 11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM 872 Views
Who cares? He's hot. Rebekah - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 1124 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 787 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 493 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough." Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM 857 Views
On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM 1044 Views
Tigr - 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 996 Views
Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM 871 Views
Didn't know enough about them to have an opinion, honestly. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:40:22 PM 997 Views
Well Paul Ryan also had a social security plan in 2005 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:48:39 AM 1005 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 862 Views
Nice video. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 954 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? Joel - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 923 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any Larry - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 1034 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 954 Views
Yes, they disavowed him Larry - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 952 Views
Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name. Joel - 12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM 923 Views
Does not work in the US Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 904 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. Joel - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 863 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 901 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. Joel - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 945 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. Tom - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 934 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? Legolas - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 1080 Views
I disagree Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 955 Views
Bloomberg has imploded Tom - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 866 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. everynametaken - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 945 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. Legolas - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 938 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 874 Views
What should Obama have done? Tom - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 925 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? Joel - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1247 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. Tom - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 853 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. Ghavrel - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 1031 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? Stephen - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 774 Views
No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM 947 Views
Good to know. Stephen - 13/08/2012 08:42:22 AM 961 Views
that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM 543 Views
Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM 816 Views
Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM 589 Views
he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM* random thoughts - 20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM 548 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 1071 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 864 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 971 Views
Don't get me wrong Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 883 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did Isaac - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 1030 Views
What an amusing retrospective. Joel - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 1033 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? Isaac - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 865 Views
Tangentially, of course. Joel - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 900 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 816 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) Joel - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 873 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 961 Views
They have a pill for that now. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 1009 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 578 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. Joel - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 975 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 576 Views
I just did. Joel - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 936 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 883 Views
Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM 955 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? ironclad - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 804 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* Stephen - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 414 Views
I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM 971 Views
I agree with your statements nossy - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 1022 Views
It's mostly nonsense Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 952 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1152 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1169 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. nossy - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1203 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. Isaac - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 908 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. nossy - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 861 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway Isaac - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 1034 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. nossy - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1322 Views
Agreed Isaac - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 815 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 983 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. nossy - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 1019 Views
I see your point, but... ironclad - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 798 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 989 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? Tom - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 825 Views
I honestly haven't decided. nossy - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1165 Views
Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly. Joel - 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM 932 Views
None of that is that important. everynametaken - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 975 Views
Agreed. *NM* Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 540 Views
Bullshit Tom - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 988 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 894 Views
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