Because they're both equally ineffectual. During the US elections you've participated in, there has never been a third party candidate with a chance of winning. Not even a REMOTE chance of winning. When you voted for them, you wasted your chance at influencing the political process every bit as much as did someone who refused to vote. Realistically speaking, you have two choices. Even if you think they're both bad, one DOES match your beliefs and opinions on government better than the other. Doesn't it make more sense to wield your (admittedly slight) political power to help that guy than to throw your vote away?
This kind of thing has always bugged me.
This kind of thing has always bugged me.
Third parties cannot gain relevance without 1) building a base and 2) meeting the electoral threshold mandated for federal election funds and debate participation. In that respect, it is a pity the Reform Party (which met the critical 15% threshold in 1996) splintered into irrelevance, but such are the perils of building a party around a candidate rather than a platform. Meanwhile, third parties can and do elect candidates to state and local office. Not only does that build a loyal electorate through familiarity and a record of performance in office, but if the states are "laboratories of democracy," such local representatives today must necessarily be tomorrows national candidates. That is what so nauseates me about the Libertarians fawning over first Paul and now Gary Johnson, life-long Republican office holders who only turn to the Libertarians when the Republicans will not have them. Same deal with the Greens and Cynthia McKinney four years ago (though she had the added liability of being a paranoid bigot.)
Parties are built from electoral and then policy results, but the latter necessitates the former. America has a surprisingly strong history of such third parties in both the original GOP and the Progressives TR and later LaFollette led away from it when it became too indulgent of laissez-faire business. Both third parties achieved substantial policy results that endure to this day (though the Reform Partys failure to block the NAFTA and WTO, or at least hold them to the standards expected of US business, threatens the Progressives achievements.) At the very least, voting for a third party that represents ones views allows the ability to vote ones conscience when neither of the two major party candidates do so.
I do not expect any third party to do well nationally until/unless America has Instant Runoff Voting, but grass roots party organizing/voting can provide the necessary support to implement such laws by state referendum. The 1992 and 2000 elections have liberals and conservatives alike living in fear of the spoiler effect IRV eliminates. Both major parties know that well enough to unite in opposing IRV, but at the grass roots level major party supporters have a vested interest in such laws (e.g. preventing another Clinton elected with 42% of the popular vote, or Gore losing despite a popular majority.) The real traction can still only come from third party supporters who know their preferred parties can never gain national office without IRV. However, those so inclined will never consider it practical if NO ONE votes for third parties, ever.
Ultimately, if you feel neither major party represents you, you should vote for a third party that does; there are enough of them you can probably find one, but if nothing else you can write in your own name as protest vote. If you feel that is just "throwing your vote away," then you can choose the lesser of two evils in one of the major parties. Either way, there is NO excuse for not voting at all. All that means is that you are content to let others govern you without your input, or that you deny the legitimacy of any government not chosen by you alone. Neither position has any place in a representative democracy or republic.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate
- 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM
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Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year.
- 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM
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Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous
- 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM
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it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things
- 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM
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Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months?
- 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM
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yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people
- 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM
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They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently
- 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM
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I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely)
- 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM
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I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron.....
- 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM
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If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run.
- 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM
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Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system.
- 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM
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Who said anything about the two-party system?
- 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM
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No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting.
- 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM
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I strongly disagree.
- 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM
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I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting.
- 12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM
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Nice asshatery.
- 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM
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Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option.....
- 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM
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Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM*
- 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM
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Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please."
- 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM
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Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race
- 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM
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Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind.
- 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM
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I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM*
- 13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM
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I'm happy with it, I like Ryan
- 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM
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What a shock.
- 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM
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- 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM
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Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare.
- 11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM
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Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare.....
- 12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM
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The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP.
- 12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM
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Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed.
- 12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM
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So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?!
- 12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM
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Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65.
- 12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM
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Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable."
- 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM
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definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november
- 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM
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Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green)
- 11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM
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Who cares? He's hot.
- 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM
1178 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough."
- 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM
902 Views
On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception.
- 13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM
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Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005?
- 12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM
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Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video.
- 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM
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No, it doesn't change my opinion any
- 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM
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I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee.
- 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM
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- 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM
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Yes, they disavowed him
- 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM
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Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name.
- 12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM
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Does not work in the US
- 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM
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We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters.
- 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM
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I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything.
- 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM
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But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not?
- 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM
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Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience.
- 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM
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What should Obama have done?
- 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM
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Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama.
- 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM
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But doesn't he say he detests Rand?
- 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM
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No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her
- 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM
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that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM*
- 13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM
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Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense.
- 13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM
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Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM*
- 14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM
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he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM*
- 20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM
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Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society.
- 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM
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Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours
- 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM
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- 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM
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Don't get me wrong
- 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM
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Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did
- 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM
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- 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM
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What an amusing retrospective.
- 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM
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I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens.
- 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM
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It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.)
- 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM
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Interesting.
- 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM
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They have a pill for that now.
- 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM
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I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM*
- 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM
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Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem.
- 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM
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Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican.
- 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM
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No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood?
- 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM
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I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat.
- 13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM
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I agree with your statements
- 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM
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It's mostly nonsense
- 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM
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Well
- 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM
1200 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media
- 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM
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I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word.
- 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM
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Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word.
- 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM
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I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad.
- 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM
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Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway
- 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM
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- 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM
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The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses.
- 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM
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I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either.
- 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM
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I see your point, but...
- 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM
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Well
- 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM
1039 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again?
- 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM
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Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly.
- 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM
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*NM*
