People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain
Isaac Send a noteboard - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM
The republican party's biggest shift is toward the libertarian, on what issue has the GOP gotten 'far too out of hand'? We've stopped pushing for larger military spending, we're easing of foreign intervention, we've gotten a lot more relaxed on both drugs and gay rights, and we haven't moved an inch on guns or abortion while the country has shifted more pro-life and more pro-gun.
It just seems that they've gone to far to the Super Christian Evangelical thing. I'm not saying Christianity is a bad thing- I'm one- but it seems that it's taking over a lot of their rhetoric on gay rights, the environment, abortion, etc. Once again, I'm no political expert, so I'm not gonna pretend that I know what I'm talking about.
One of the most influential groups in the GOP are the Objectivists and general sympathizers to that POV, it's a group of atheists and agnostics who've had a fairly comfortable home with the GOP for decades. Now the Christian Right did have a lot of push in the 90s, they have since lost much of that cohesion and influence, along with the NEoCon hawks. Currently the party influence has shifted mostly to put the libertarian's back in ascendance restoring the Fusionist Tripod of the late 70's to 80s but remains home to dozens of factions - the GOP has very, very lively internal debate we just present a solidified front as much as possible - I've been an active party official for years now and very bluntly open about my views on legalizing gay marriage and drawing back a bit on drugs and I've never gotten even a negative comment about it. Now abortion and gun rights, those we really have become more adamant on expecting the leadership to back, but the party as a whole has remained pretty consistent on the issue.
Don't buy into the BS, platforms and major speeches are public record, the GOP hasn't shifted further to the right, rather its eased up on several things that the Dems have also eased up on, these are generational issues more than anything else and republicans are older on average then democrats, the median republican primary voter is 60. Now the dems do, in my opinion, have the moral high ground on gay rights, but really only in the sense that they moved their a it faster because they could. They moved quite slowly from an ideological viewpoint, simply waiting till - as their younger median age permitted - enough dems favored it to allow a candidate to run. It's not like the GOP has gotten harsher on gay rights, 20 years ago the average Dem view on the matter was to the 'right' of the GOP's current one by a good margin.
Now many of us do see ourselves having shifted back to the right, but we see it as restoring the concept that hierachal power structures should always try to place control and authority over a given thing at the lowest level that reasonably functions. Hence, garbage pick up shouldn't be run by the county over the city without very clear and solid benefits, police don't need to be state run but some state level coordination can be appropriate, as can a federal level one, but should never exist in a given niche if a state can fill that role as well. This is what you see the GOP trying to shift towards, if there is any distinct trend to mobility, more localized control.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 11/08/2012 at 09:24:25 PM
Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate
- 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM
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Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year.
- 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM
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Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous
- 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM
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it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things
- 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM
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Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months?
- 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM
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yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people
- 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM
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They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently
- 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM
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I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely)
- 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM
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People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain
- 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM
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I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron.....
- 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM
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If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run.
- 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM
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Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system.
- 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM
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Who said anything about the two-party system?
- 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM
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No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting.
- 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM
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I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting.
- 12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM
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Nice asshatery.
- 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM
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Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option.....
- 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM
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Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM*
- 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM
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Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please."
- 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM
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Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race
- 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM
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Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind.
- 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM
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I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM*
- 13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM
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I'm happy with it, I like Ryan
- 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM
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What a shock.
- 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM
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- 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM
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Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare.
- 11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM
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Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare.....
- 12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM
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The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP.
- 12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM
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Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed.
- 12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM
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So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?!
- 12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM
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Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65.
- 12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM
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Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable."
- 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM
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definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november
- 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM
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Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green)
- 11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM
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Who cares? He's hot.
- 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM
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I actually said, "He's not hot enough."
- 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM
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On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception.
- 13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM
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Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005?
- 12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM
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Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video.
- 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM
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No, it doesn't change my opinion any
- 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM
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I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee.
- 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM
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- 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM
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Yes, they disavowed him
- 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM
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Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name.
- 12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM
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Does not work in the US
- 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM
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We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters.
- 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM
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I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything.
- 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM
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But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not?
- 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM
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Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience.
- 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM
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What should Obama have done?
- 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM
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Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama.
- 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM
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But doesn't he say he detests Rand?
- 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM
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No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her
- 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM
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that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM*
- 13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM
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Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense.
- 13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM
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Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM*
- 14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM
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he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM*
- 20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM
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Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society.
- 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM
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Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours
- 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM
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- 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM
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Don't get me wrong
- 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM
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Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did
- 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM
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- 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM
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What an amusing retrospective.
- 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM
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I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens.
- 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM
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It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.)
- 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM
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Interesting.
- 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM
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They have a pill for that now.
- 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM
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I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM*
- 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM
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Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem.
- 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM
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Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican.
- 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM
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No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood?
- 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM
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I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat.
- 13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM
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I agree with your statements
- 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM
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It's mostly nonsense
- 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM
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Well
- 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM
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'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media
- 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM
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I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word.
- 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM
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Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word.
- 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM
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I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad.
- 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM
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Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway
- 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM
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- 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM
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The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses.
- 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM
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I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either.
- 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM
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I see your point, but...
- 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM
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Well
- 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM
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Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again?
- 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM
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Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly.
- 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM
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*NM*
