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Well nossy Send a noteboard - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM
There is only so much posturing I am able to stand. Being told that most of it is nonsense, but then having to listen to people belittling things I think are important... well, they need to be careful, or even people trying to make responsible decisions will have had enough.

But, I read the whole post this time!


I don't know. Everything about me wants to make the decision against the religious right type of conservatism, but I am really asking myself if that is such a big deal - I don't think Romney actually believes he should strip back those rights (women's primarily), but I also know I'm taking a hell of a big gamble to assume he's feigning interest there just to get the conservative vote. This whole election period is driving me out of my mind. I want to knock some heads together.

Conservatives disagree on a lot of things, where abortion is concerned unity is limited to overturning Roe v Wade so that each state can set its own laws. Overturning Roe v Wade does not ban abortion, it simply allows individual states to decide, safe bet how Cali and NY would go, ditto the Dakota and Kansas. Were that too happen the left would be welcome to engage in that very rare habit amongst them, opening their own wallets for charitable contributions, and set up a pool to provide airfare or whatever to people seeking travel to another state for that procedure. For my own part, I would at least like to see a waiting period on it, I'd consider it ironic and appropriate if it were legally set to be exactly the same waiting period on guns, as I consider both to be life or death issues one should try to force a cooling off period on to consider options. Nobody, excepting persons who already own a bunch of guns maybe, needs to be buying a gun on short notice, if they are in immediate peril they should call the police. Ditto, nobody should be in a position to get an abortion the same day they find out they're pregnant, it is absurd to even consider such a person would by default be in their most fit state of mind. The same logic applies as with guns.

Well, it's best not to get me started on abortion, because I get fiery against my will. It seems to me that banning it does not make it go away, and I wonder why nobody ever talks about that. Same with birth control. Based on the limited research I have done, there are higher rates of abortion in countries were it is illegal and/or not affordable, and that usually goes hand-in-hand with accessibility of birth control. So, anyway.

To be honest, if you are going to give someone the choice, making them wait is a hairy situation - first you say they can't have them beyond a certain point (I agree with this, btw), but then say they have to wait... for what? It makes no sense to let the fetus grow, just to hope the mother gets your clue. I could be wrong, but I think most women are capable of making that decision quite quickly. We typically know whether we want babies or not, and whether abortion is even on the table. That doesn't mean there might not be regret at some point, but having residual feelings over something like this is not exactly the same thing as wishing you hadn't done it.

As for birth control, there is absolutely no unity on birth control, most of us are strongly in favor of maximizing availability of that, and NO ONE even vaguely non-fringe is discussing banning birth control, there are just some (a minority) who frown on its usage like they do smoking or drinking. You'll hear about some of us wanting to restrict birth control, that is actually true, we don't want anyone getting any chemical, rather than physical (condoms, etc) birth control without proper oversight so people are actually getting safe medicine. That gets over-stated a lot. We're not happy with the controls on what is very definitely not a 100% safe, 0% side-effects group of drugs.

I don't hear that much, actually. I have my own thoughts on the safety of the meds (mostly that people need to make sure they aren't going for quackery by doing their own research), especially after the yaz thing, but that is not what I hear when I see a discussion of birth control. Mostly, it's something about Catholics, so I don't worry overly much about it. I do, however, worry about the attack on Planned Parenthood, but that is much more about the abortion angle than the BC (for the people trying to yank funding).
This message last edited by nossy on 14/08/2012 at 02:56:49 PM
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EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 867 Views
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I agree with your statements - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 1010 Views
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Well - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1137 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1151 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1188 Views
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I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 849 Views
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