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Re: Umm.... Palatine Send a noteboard - 25/08/2012 06:48:02 PM
You write: " . . . it's not a country's job to take revenge on anyone." Firstly, that implies it is someone's job. Tell me whose it is. Secondly, I disagree. Imprisonment is a form of revenge. Revenge does not have to be tit for tat. One of government's specific jobs is to catch and punish, by imprisonment or otherwise, those who break the laws of the society. We want governemnt to do that, or else it's anarchy--somewhat like the Old West in the U.S.

Maybe I phrased this not very well. Of course it is the prosecution's, state's, country's job to make sure someone gets punished for horrible things they did. I just wanted to stress the fact that I think it should not be about revenge but punishment, if that makes any sense and if the distinction between those two terms is the same for others as it is in my head.


I understand what you mean and I understand the distinction you make. But like I said, imprisonment (a type of punishment) is a form of revenge. I can't make the distinction that you make. It simply doesn't compute in my brain.

I honestly don't understand the last bit. Please explain. How does Norway "keep the higher ground" by putting him in prison for the rest of his life as opposed to executing him?

By being the "better person", so to say. Breivik took lives. Norway will not take his, because it is always wrong to do so, whether you are an extremist or the institution that has to come up with the punishment for him. I am not a very religious person but I still think the holding the other cheek thing is a way better teaching than the taking of lives as revenge.


And that is the fine point in the difference of our opinions. I don't think it is always wrong to take life. I don't subscribe to the notion that all life is precious. I think some people need killing. I don't think killing him makes me (or society) a "worse person," so to speak. Nothing says to me emotionally or logically, killing this person makes me less or bad in any way.

However, I am a propenent of only using the death penalty in specific cases. Breivik's case would be one I would use it. He admitted killing those people and there is no hint of his confession being coerced, that I've heard. Unfortunately, I've heard of too many cases of people on death row who have have later been exonerated based on new evidence. So, as long the defendant proclaims his innocence and their's no airtight proof against him/her, I oppose a death sentence.
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term - 24/08/2012 11:35:06 AM 1350 Views
Only 21 years? Weaksauce. *NM* - 24/08/2012 02:35:56 PM 266 Views
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Naive, my young friend. Very naive. *NM* - 24/08/2012 05:48:16 PM 248 Views
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The term should be [Norwegian psychologist] anyway. - 24/08/2012 05:28:26 PM 569 Views
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and then dump the cage in a deep lake *NM* - 24/08/2012 09:23:14 PM 363 Views
that is full of bull and tiger sharks - 25/08/2012 01:13:40 AM 594 Views
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Breivik will always be a threat. - 26/08/2012 01:36:34 AM 615 Views
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really? I hate the media - 24/08/2012 09:22:03 PM 567 Views
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