You write: " . . . it's not a country's job to take revenge on anyone." Firstly, that implies it is someone's job. Tell me whose it is. Secondly, I disagree. Imprisonment is a form of revenge. Revenge does not have to be tit for tat. One of government's specific jobs is to catch and punish, by imprisonment or otherwise, those who break the laws of the society. We want governemnt to do that, or else it's anarchy--somewhat like the Old West in the U.S.
Maybe I phrased this not very well. Of course it is the prosecution's, state's, country's job to make sure someone gets punished for horrible things they did. I just wanted to stress the fact that I think it should not be about revenge but punishment, if that makes any sense and if the distinction between those two terms is the same for others as it is in my head.
I understand what you mean and I understand the distinction you make. But like I said, imprisonment (a type of punishment) is a form of revenge. I can't make the distinction that you make. It simply doesn't compute in my brain.
I honestly don't understand the last bit. Please explain. How does Norway "keep the higher ground" by putting him in prison for the rest of his life as opposed to executing him?
By being the "better person", so to say. Breivik took lives. Norway will not take his, because it is always wrong to do so, whether you are an extremist or the institution that has to come up with the punishment for him. I am not a very religious person but I still think the holding the other cheek thing is a way better teaching than the taking of lives as revenge.
And that is the fine point in the difference of our opinions. I don't think it is always wrong to take life. I don't subscribe to the notion that all life is precious. I think some people need killing. I don't think killing him makes me (or society) a "worse person," so to speak. Nothing says to me emotionally or logically, killing this person makes me less or bad in any way.
However, I am a propenent of only using the death penalty in specific cases. Breivik's case would be one I would use it. He admitted killing those people and there is no hint of his confession being coerced, that I've heard. Unfortunately, I've heard of too many cases of people on death row who have have later been exonerated based on new evidence. So, as long the defendant proclaims his innocence and their's no airtight proof against him/her, I oppose a death sentence.
*MySmiley*
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term
24/08/2012 11:35:06 AM
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Only 21 years? Weaksauce. *NM*
24/08/2012 02:35:56 PM
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It can be extended if they think he's still a danger. *NM*
24/08/2012 03:24:41 PM
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How do they decide that?
24/08/2012 04:22:31 PM
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[Norway, 20 years from now]
24/08/2012 04:42:45 PM
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OR
24/08/2012 04:54:39 PM
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Pretty sure mine's more futuristically accurate. *NM*
24/08/2012 05:23:33 PM
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Your extensive experience with forensic psychology is really shining through here. *NM*
25/08/2012 11:08:28 AM
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Is it that simple?
24/08/2012 05:04:34 PM
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Actually, in the sentence declared...
24/08/2012 05:10:44 PM
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If that's so . . .
24/08/2012 05:19:51 PM
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Well, obviously, it's in case he reforms
24/08/2012 08:02:48 PM
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That's where the system goes wrong though.
24/08/2012 08:46:49 PM
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There is a point to keep him locked up. Actually, 77 points.
25/08/2012 06:12:36 PM
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I agree.
25/08/2012 06:26:34 PM
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From what I can tell they do it that way to impose a minimum sentence without parole.
26/08/2012 01:28:21 AM
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really? I hate the media
24/08/2012 09:22:03 PM
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Jonte is right about forvaring, but it is so foreign to us media overlooking it is hardly surprising
26/08/2012 01:16:17 AM
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LOL, my wife and I have nearly given up on an English translation of "forvaring."
26/08/2012 12:50:19 AM
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Can you give some version of it?
26/08/2012 01:38:07 AM
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Did, in my response to rt.
26/08/2012 01:55:05 AM
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Timothy McVeigh was executed.
24/08/2012 05:13:49 PM
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I never did understand the point of this trial
24/08/2012 06:27:57 PM
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Well, wouldn't the answer be that nobody goes to any sort of institution w/o first
24/08/2012 06:39:56 PM
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I mostly agree with you.
24/08/2012 06:48:04 PM
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What people think.
25/08/2012 07:03:02 PM
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hm
25/08/2012 07:34:05 PM
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So far, it looks like I am wrong
25/08/2012 09:28:09 PM
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I don't know if being a sociopath is the same as being insane.
25/08/2012 09:30:47 PM
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Which is the biggest reason I probably need to be more hip to the definitions.
25/08/2012 09:52:19 PM
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Yeah, exactly. That kinda makes it impossible for me to vote. *NM*
26/08/2012 12:10:38 AM
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It is really REALLY hard to decide; even professional have had difficulty.
26/08/2012 02:08:43 AM
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21 years for killing 70+ people - Norway is a crazy, crazy place. *NM*
25/08/2012 04:44:07 PM
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Did you read any of the other replies in this post?
25/08/2012 05:24:21 PM
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Did you really expect him to read when he had the opportunity to be loud and snippy? *NM*
26/08/2012 01:40:30 AM
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It would be an understatement to say I have mixed feelings about this.
26/08/2012 12:39:19 AM
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For those who are confused about the premise of the Norwegian justice system
26/08/2012 09:25:18 AM
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I fear this clarification may further confuse things, by making punishment seem a non-factor.
26/08/2012 09:41:48 PM
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