LOL, my wife and I have nearly given up on an English translation of "forvaring."
Joel Send a noteboard - 26/08/2012 12:50:19 AM
I honestly know very little about Norwegian law. In the US you really can't keep someone beyond the time they were convicted for unless they commit a new crime while in prison or you find them insane. Is there a panel that meets and decides if someone can be released when their sentence is up and can they just decide if they want to let them out or not? That sounds more like a life sentence with the chance for parole in ten to twenty years. Who has the burden of proof and what does it take to keep someone in prison beyond their sentence? That is what I was asking.
If I remember the rules right, they have to at the point of the sentence say that he gets 21 years and "förvaring" whatever that is in english. So, the sentence in itself is "up to life"; however, after 21 years they have to meet every 5 years and decide he can't go free. No biggie; releasing him would be a danger to society... mainly because people would fight about who gets to kill him first. And that's just barbaric.
But all in all, since the maximum sentence he got translates into real terms as life (even though they have to meet every now and then to say he can't go free) no new crime is necessary.
Even though she works in Norwegian law (although not criminal law.) As rt says, the US considers criminals to have "paid their debt" once their sentence is complete, and release is almost mandatory; that, and people under life sentences receiving parole, is a perennial argument for capital punishment. I think you correct, FWIW, that the justifiable fear someone would go vigilante if Breivik were released guarantees him life in prison even if nothing else did.
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term
- 24/08/2012 11:35:06 AM
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Only 21 years? Weaksauce. *NM*
- 24/08/2012 02:35:56 PM
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It can be extended if they think he's still a danger. *NM*
- 24/08/2012 03:24:41 PM
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How do they decide that?
- 24/08/2012 04:22:31 PM
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[Norway, 20 years from now]
- 24/08/2012 04:42:45 PM
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OR
- 24/08/2012 04:54:39 PM
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Pretty sure mine's more futuristically accurate. *NM*
- 24/08/2012 05:23:33 PM
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Your extensive experience with forensic psychology is really shining through here. *NM*
- 25/08/2012 11:08:28 AM
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Is it that simple?
- 24/08/2012 05:04:34 PM
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Actually, in the sentence declared...
- 24/08/2012 05:10:44 PM
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If that's so . . .
- 24/08/2012 05:19:51 PM
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Well, obviously, it's in case he reforms
- 24/08/2012 08:02:48 PM
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That's where the system goes wrong though.
- 24/08/2012 08:46:49 PM
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There is a point to keep him locked up. Actually, 77 points.
- 25/08/2012 06:12:36 PM
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I agree.
- 25/08/2012 06:26:34 PM
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From what I can tell they do it that way to impose a minimum sentence without parole.
- 26/08/2012 01:28:21 AM
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really? I hate the media
- 24/08/2012 09:22:03 PM
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Jonte is right about forvaring, but it is so foreign to us media overlooking it is hardly surprising
- 26/08/2012 01:16:17 AM
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LOL, my wife and I have nearly given up on an English translation of "forvaring."
- 26/08/2012 12:50:19 AM
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Can you give some version of it?
- 26/08/2012 01:38:07 AM
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Did, in my response to rt.
- 26/08/2012 01:55:05 AM
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Timothy McVeigh was executed.
- 24/08/2012 05:13:49 PM
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I never did understand the point of this trial
- 24/08/2012 06:27:57 PM
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Well, wouldn't the answer be that nobody goes to any sort of institution w/o first
- 24/08/2012 06:39:56 PM
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I mostly agree with you.
- 24/08/2012 06:48:04 PM
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What people think.
- 25/08/2012 07:03:02 PM
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hm
- 25/08/2012 07:34:05 PM
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So far, it looks like I am wrong
- 25/08/2012 09:28:09 PM
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I don't know if being a sociopath is the same as being insane.
- 25/08/2012 09:30:47 PM
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Which is the biggest reason I probably need to be more hip to the definitions.
- 25/08/2012 09:52:19 PM
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Yeah, exactly. That kinda makes it impossible for me to vote. *NM*
- 26/08/2012 12:10:38 AM
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It is really REALLY hard to decide; even professional have had difficulty.
- 26/08/2012 02:08:43 AM
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21 years for killing 70+ people - Norway is a crazy, crazy place. *NM*
- 25/08/2012 04:44:07 PM
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Did you read any of the other replies in this post?
- 25/08/2012 05:24:21 PM
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Did you really expect him to read when he had the opportunity to be loud and snippy? *NM*
- 26/08/2012 01:40:30 AM
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It would be an understatement to say I have mixed feelings about this.
- 26/08/2012 12:39:19 AM
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For those who are confused about the premise of the Norwegian justice system
- 26/08/2012 09:25:18 AM
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I fear this clarification may further confuse things, by making punishment seem a non-factor.
- 26/08/2012 09:41:48 PM
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