I fear this clarification may further confuse things, by making punishment seem a non-factor.
Joel Send a noteboard - 26/08/2012 09:41:48 PM
I found quite a good article in The Atlantic which discusses the difference between the retributive and restorative justice systems.
It covers the different foundational perspectives (for the record, many Americans, in which I include myself, strongly support restorative justice.) My (perhaps false) impression, however, is that the article contends punishment is not even a minor consideration, which is not my understanding. If rehabilitation and protecting society were the sole concerns, minimum sentences of 10 years or any length would be inappropriate: People would be incarcerated until/unless rehabilitated, then released, whether 10 years or 10 minutes later. Lene notes Breiviks detention would not be nearly so spartan had he been found insane, despite his threat to society would being no less: Criminal incarceration clearly has a penal element, however great or small. Talk of TV and Ikea obscures that, encouraging the existing misunderstanding.
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term
24/08/2012 11:35:06 AM
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Only 21 years? Weaksauce. *NM*
24/08/2012 02:35:56 PM
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It can be extended if they think he's still a danger. *NM*
24/08/2012 03:24:41 PM
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How do they decide that?
24/08/2012 04:22:31 PM
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[Norway, 20 years from now]
24/08/2012 04:42:45 PM
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OR
24/08/2012 04:54:39 PM
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Pretty sure mine's more futuristically accurate. *NM*
24/08/2012 05:23:33 PM
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Your extensive experience with forensic psychology is really shining through here. *NM*
25/08/2012 11:08:28 AM
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Is it that simple?
24/08/2012 05:04:34 PM
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Actually, in the sentence declared...
24/08/2012 05:10:44 PM
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If that's so . . .
24/08/2012 05:19:51 PM
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Well, obviously, it's in case he reforms
24/08/2012 08:02:48 PM
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That's where the system goes wrong though.
24/08/2012 08:46:49 PM
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There is a point to keep him locked up. Actually, 77 points.
25/08/2012 06:12:36 PM
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I agree.
25/08/2012 06:26:34 PM
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From what I can tell they do it that way to impose a minimum sentence without parole.
26/08/2012 01:28:21 AM
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really? I hate the media
24/08/2012 09:22:03 PM
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Jonte is right about forvaring, but it is so foreign to us media overlooking it is hardly surprising
26/08/2012 01:16:17 AM
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LOL, my wife and I have nearly given up on an English translation of "forvaring."
26/08/2012 12:50:19 AM
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Can you give some version of it?
26/08/2012 01:38:07 AM
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Did, in my response to rt.
26/08/2012 01:55:05 AM
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Timothy McVeigh was executed.
24/08/2012 05:13:49 PM
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I never did understand the point of this trial
24/08/2012 06:27:57 PM
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Well, wouldn't the answer be that nobody goes to any sort of institution w/o first
24/08/2012 06:39:56 PM
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I mostly agree with you.
24/08/2012 06:48:04 PM
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What people think.
25/08/2012 07:03:02 PM
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hm
25/08/2012 07:34:05 PM
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So far, it looks like I am wrong
25/08/2012 09:28:09 PM
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I don't know if being a sociopath is the same as being insane.
25/08/2012 09:30:47 PM
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Which is the biggest reason I probably need to be more hip to the definitions.
25/08/2012 09:52:19 PM
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Yeah, exactly. That kinda makes it impossible for me to vote. *NM*
26/08/2012 12:10:38 AM
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It is really REALLY hard to decide; even professional have had difficulty.
26/08/2012 02:08:43 AM
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21 years for killing 70+ people - Norway is a crazy, crazy place. *NM*
25/08/2012 04:44:07 PM
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Did you read any of the other replies in this post?
25/08/2012 05:24:21 PM
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Did you really expect him to read when he had the opportunity to be loud and snippy? *NM*
26/08/2012 01:40:30 AM
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It would be an understatement to say I have mixed feelings about this.
26/08/2012 12:39:19 AM
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For those who are confused about the premise of the Norwegian justice system
26/08/2012 09:25:18 AM
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I fear this clarification may further confuse things, by making punishment seem a non-factor.
26/08/2012 09:41:48 PM
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