You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right?
Joel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM
Joel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM
It wasn't just the Founding Fathers but the entire movement they were basing their ideas on. I haven't studied it as much as I would like but I do love the poetry in the way they wrote and the logic and reason they tried to bring into their ideas. Today's zero attention span believe what after matches your world view way thinking of pales in comparison. Thats what happens when you let the riff raff into the conversation.
The Constitutions framers founded a republic rather than democracy in a deliberate effort to keep riff raff OUT of the conversation (incidentally indulging some sexism and racism.) Laws rather than votes govern America because they feared mob rule, but preventing mob rule necessarily inhibits democracy: That is the point. Obviously, elected representatives make our laws, but since the US Constitutions Framers also wrote state laws restricting voting to free white land-owning males over 21, it is clear just how undemocratic their intent was: They wanted legislators and those electing them to be competent enough for self-government.
I am very conflicted about that because there are many good arguments for and against such an approach. We both know what would result from restricting voting to the modern heirs of the same intelligentsia who produced the starkly contrasting American and French Revolutions. Part of me certainly wishes Birthers did not vote, but not that they COULD not vote. Our disagreement does not, by itself, invalidate their right to self-government, or even prove them wrong: It just means we disagree. Arguments everyone should be empowered ring hollow if they only mean a Randian "empowerment" on the terms of a small ruling elite.
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Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America?
- 30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM
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Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite?
- 30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM
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No, never, not even briefly.
- 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM
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- 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM
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What? Nooooo way
- 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM
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- 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM
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My US history class was an hour long and I always got distracted by a butterfly or something.
- 30/08/2012 08:50:39 PM
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Did you just kinda compare yourself to the founding fathers?
- 30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM
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- 30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM
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Not positively, but I have often thought they were a bad influence on me.
- 30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM
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- 30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM
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Funny, my reaction to sentences like those is nearly the opposite.
- 30/08/2012 08:11:34 PM
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Fair point; it is revealing that none of the Bill of Rights amendments have multiple sections.
- 30/08/2012 08:39:24 PM
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You're projecting. *NM*
- 31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM
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I am aspiring.
- 31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM
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As a personal aside ...
- 31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM
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Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting.
- 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM
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- 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM
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Re:
- 31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM
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Re: Re:
- 31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM
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Well
- 31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM
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It does get repetitive too often.
- 31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM
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Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it.
- 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM
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- 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM
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I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal.
- 31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM
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Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM*
- 31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM
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... and big government.
- 01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM
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I don't really buy that.....
- 01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM
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Hamilton loudly and often advocated a central bank, national debt and active federal government.
- 01/09/2012 08:41:50 PM
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I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating
- 31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM
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You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right?
- 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM
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- 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM
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I would want better intelligenstia first
- 01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM
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Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument.
- 01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM
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*wonders if we could test*
- 02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM
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no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work
- 02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM
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I listen to some of supposed intellectuals talk and I am unimpressed
- 02/09/2012 02:53:21 PM
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Being well read does not make one smart, but does facilitate it to a great degree.
- 02/09/2012 04:32:05 PM
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I like the Starship Trooper approach
- 02/09/2012 05:04:17 PM
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I run very hot and cold on that one.
- 02/09/2012 06:28:44 PM
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What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"?
- 03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM
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Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s
- 03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM
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If you worked with more engineers you might change your opinion on the science degree part
- 04/09/2012 03:00:16 PM
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Maybe; I would likely just conclude horse sense is uncommon everywhere, but less so in engineers.
- 05/09/2012 12:11:58 AM
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