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Even Walker admits "It’s closed — has been as long as Obama has been president." Joel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2012 06:27:32 PM
And the fact remains that nothing Ryan said about the GM was incorrect and they argumnet that it was misleading is an oped piece not a fact check piece.

You counter independent fact checking with an ACTUAL op ed from a far right GOP governor?! This is the same old "the fact is IMO that fact is an opinion" double-speak. GM ordered the plant closed in June '08 and sent out pink slips in December '08. Since Obama took office in January '09 none of that CAN be his fault. As previously noted, the worst Obama can be accused of is a promise impossible to keep.
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If you want dueling Politico op eds, here ya go.
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how to make political convention speeches more entertaining moondog - 31/08/2012 03:57:11 PM 775 Views
If they did that, I would actually watch. Darth_Katie - 31/08/2012 04:18:06 PM 1045 Views
Ditto nossy - 31/08/2012 04:42:37 PM 667 Views
Ha, like Pop-Up Video! beetnemesis - 31/08/2012 05:04:41 PM 604 Views
That similarity occured to me, too. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 09:37:22 PM 314 Views
and how fact checks the fact checkers? *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2012 05:19:45 PM 281 Views
Fox, presumably. Joel - 31/08/2012 06:05:56 PM 887 Views
the fact checkers tend be journalist and deserve all the trust that goes with that *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2012 10:36:18 AM 308 Views
Facts are facts, and not in the eye of the beholder. Joel - 01/09/2012 12:08:41 PM 614 Views
That might be true if fat checkers limited themsleves to facts and not opinion random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:44:41 PM 692 Views
Stating opinions as fact invites checking them as facts. Joel - 01/09/2012 02:59:23 PM 849 Views
I will let Scott Wlaker explain it to you random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:56:00 PM 813 Views
Even Walker admits "It’s closed — has been as long as Obama has been president." Joel - 01/09/2012 06:27:32 PM 817 Views
well since Ryan never claimed Obama caused the plant to close it doesn't matter when it closed random thoughts - 01/09/2012 08:10:26 PM 629 Views
How could he save a plant already closed? Joel - 01/09/2012 08:31:55 PM 608 Views
It's obvious. Stephen - 01/09/2012 10:12:33 PM 660 Views
Of course; how could I have been so blind. Joel - 01/09/2012 10:41:03 PM 579 Views
what is obvious is despite him saying they would his policies didn't save the plant random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:48:08 PM 601 Views
If he could save it he shouldn't have he could but he did say he could random thoughts - 02/09/2012 09:43:56 PM 628 Views
The video says his comments were 2 Feb, 2008, when the plant was open;when he took office it was not Joel - 02/09/2012 10:26:46 PM 601 Views
That is a great idea that will never happen. Joel - 31/08/2012 06:08:30 PM 768 Views
Then what would Daily Show and Colbert do every night if someone does their work for them? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 09:38:17 PM 307 Views
presumably they would have plenty of other material to work with.... *NM* moondog - 01/09/2012 06:33:33 AM 313 Views
I loathe the conventions, but this will make it worse Roland00 - 01/09/2012 03:52:15 AM 659 Views
you're talking about what people who already follow these things do moondog - 01/09/2012 06:40:42 AM 591 Views
We fundamentally disagree Roland00 - 01/09/2012 01:54:26 PM 812 Views
The absence of either filter or rebuttal diminishes the informative value of conventions. Joel - 01/09/2012 03:21:03 PM 715 Views
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