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I am not so sure it would. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/09/2012 05:45:39 PM
... is that it would leave the only ones left with voting rights being the ones least in opposition to the push for war, though the war is itself something that should be accountable to voting rights.

It think it would make the electorate more cognizant of wars cost, and restrict war to conflicts for which the majority is willing to pay that price personally rather than letting their mouths write checks cashed by other peoples butts. I do not think a "conscription-franchise" would make current military members any more or less inclined to war, but requiring current civilians enlist would instantly make them and their families far more deliberative about war. Of course, many would reject conscription even at the cost of their voting rights, but that strikes me as not only a fair but wise trade.

It simply isn't possible to fairly equate being willing to fight a war with having skin in the game. Hell, even if the war is guaranteed to be just and necessary, there are still some problems with the rigor of such an equation: e.g., a) there are different ways to have skin in the game other than being willing to fight, and b) a person might be theoretically willing to fight, but be so opposed to the current war strategy or implementation that they think the war that is just and necessary isn't the one being implemented. Such a person should be able to attempt to do their part to change the nation's course, regardless of whether or not they are legally drafted. Accepting that, it just brings us back to the normal question of whether a person should be involuntarily drafted.

There are certainly different ways to have skin in the game, but that only underscores the shallow public support for our recent wars. Given public outrage at rising gas prices since the Iraq invasion it is hard to imagine any support for WWIIs rationing or war bonds. In post-Vietnam America, war is something the majority declares but the minority wages. Homefront "sacrifices" consist of no more than flags on our lapels and ironic "Support the Troops" bumperstickers. Countries committed to war on two fronts do not demand tax cuts. ;)

Your second point is the key, because if military service were a prerequisite for voting war would be impossible without support from a majority of those fighting. Some might not consider the war just or necessary, but would never authorize it unless they considered it somehow beneficial. As it stands, Americans are too easily convinced of wars legitimacy, because those fighting tend to be the least opposed and those not fighting can "patriotically" endorse war at no personal cost.
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