Re: But a Manning by any other name doesn't throw as many picks
Nate Send a noteboard - 13/09/2012 10:01:30 PM

I do agree with the idea that a more interesting discussion can be had by saying who is better the guy on the winning team or the guy with the better stats. Who is better the consistent guy who play well all season long or the guy who gets hot at the end. Or even with a sport where so much depends on not only the other players on your team but the calls the coach make and the quality of the other defense how accurately can we ever really judge a single player just by results? Look at Brees he really wasn't anything special until he got with the right team and the right coach and suddenly he is a shoe in for the Hall of Fame.
Yeah. That discussion can be had for just about any team sport, barring perhaps baseball where the individual talent informs stats a lot more. Even there you have stats that can swing depending on what park they play in, whether they're in a division with lots of good pitching, etc., but I'm pretty sure Bill James has a sabermetric stat for any argument you could make.
I don't know if a player in more team-oriented sports can ever fully be judged on stats alone. The better players will tend to have the better stats, but it's not a universal straight-up-and-down hierarchy, not an exact 1-2-3 parallel between player skill and stats. You have to factor in random things like injuries as well sometimes. It can be a mess.
Fun to discuss, but not worth making it a matter of personal pride to argue it one way or the other the way a lot of sports fans do.
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Help me settle argument about NFL QBs
13/09/2012 06:20:48 PM
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Ben Roethlisberger is better than Philip Rivers as of now, regardless of stats.
13/09/2012 07:06:34 PM
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So if they traded QBs they would switch places in ranking?
13/09/2012 07:37:26 PM
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Good points, but these aren't Rivers and Roethlisberger lol *NM*
13/09/2012 08:08:57 PM
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argument is the same no matter who the QB is and I think I have made my opinions clear on the others *NM*
13/09/2012 08:33:16 PM
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Is this the third post about that same argument?
13/09/2012 08:12:03 PM
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I'm sorry, is this not a free country?
13/09/2012 08:26:21 PM
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Right, well.
13/09/2012 08:43:02 PM
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Re: Right, well.
13/09/2012 08:48:27 PM
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If you want to have that debate more broadly, then it's more interesting.
13/09/2012 09:17:50 PM
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Re: If you want to have that debate more broadly, then it's more interesting.
13/09/2012 09:28:04 PM
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Re: If you want to have that debate more broadly, then it's more interesting.
13/09/2012 09:53:21 PM
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Re: If you want to have that debate more broadly, then it's more interesting.
13/09/2012 10:14:12 PM
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Re: If you want to have that debate more broadly, then it's more interesting.
13/09/2012 10:40:18 PM
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Sorry, the FG attempt was not blocked: Romo bobbled the snap, then ran for 0 yards.
14/09/2012 01:18:08 PM
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Wrong game
14/09/2012 01:31:23 PM
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Ah; in that case staggering into ones own endzone and taking a knee is on the ball carrier, yes.
14/09/2012 09:43:51 PM
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...in the 1st qtr! They were up by 12 with 5 mins to go. So... *NM*
14/09/2012 10:09:27 PM
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Yeah, remember that, too, but those 5 Giants points made the difference.
14/09/2012 10:30:56 PM
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But a Manning by any other name doesn't throw as many picks
13/09/2012 09:48:08 PM
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Re: But a Manning by any other name doesn't throw as many picks
13/09/2012 10:01:30 PM
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post something else and these three post won't seem as important
13/09/2012 08:36:29 PM
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For once I agree with you completely.
14/09/2012 01:11:20 PM
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Me too. You filty commie bastards.
14/09/2012 11:28:37 PM
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OK, I am starting to feel dirty now, but it was worth it to hear someone call rt a commie.
15/09/2012 12:13:12 AM
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According to Wikipedia, you're talking about...
13/09/2012 09:05:26 PM
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Close
13/09/2012 09:21:18 PM
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Same argument - Eli >> Romo due to leadership, big games, and championships. *NM*
13/09/2012 10:31:12 PM
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So a game manager is a better QB than a skilled QB?
14/09/2012 12:08:43 AM
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No, but a 2-time Super Bowl MVP that led two game-winning drives is better.....
14/09/2012 01:06:18 AM
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No questions
14/09/2012 01:12:09 AM
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Typical jealous Cowboys fan.
14/09/2012 01:20:38 AM
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Typical Giants fan
14/09/2012 01:30:54 AM
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Romo hasn't been the same since Jessica Simpson dumped him.
14/09/2012 01:52:50 AM
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and Eli has been great since he threw a fit about who was drafting him *NM*
14/09/2012 11:31:23 AM
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If Romo was playing on the Giants last year they would have done much better than 9-7
14/09/2012 11:30:36 AM
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Well you got that answer right even if you missed the question
*NM*
13/09/2012 09:36:53 PM
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That is somewhat ironic, since Hasselbeck also has the Super Bowl appearance Romo lacks.
14/09/2012 01:03:06 PM
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And that is why Jim McMahon is a greater QB than Dan Moreno and Danny White
14/09/2012 01:39:27 PM
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The '05 Seahawks D is nothing like that of the '85 Bears, and neither is that of the '07/'11 Giants.
14/09/2012 09:45:34 PM
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Tony did just beat Eli.
13/09/2012 11:28:00 PM
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Romo does well in the first game of the season, Eli does well in the last game of the season.
13/09/2012 11:55:13 PM
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As a Lions fan, all I can say about the two is...
14/09/2012 09:00:15 PM
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Ah, yes, Detroit; they were down 27-3 to Dallas at the end of the third quarter, right?
14/09/2012 09:51:01 PM
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End of the half
14/09/2012 10:13:24 PM
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Box score says it was 20-3 at the half.
14/09/2012 10:22:40 PM
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Re: Box score says it was 20-3 at the half.
14/09/2012 11:04:56 PM
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Yeah, OK 27-3 with 10:30 left in the third; you got me to look it up after all.
15/09/2012 12:33:53 AM
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Based only on those numbers, I say #1 is better.
14/09/2012 02:21:17 PM
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Heh, I guess an Eagles fan is an unbiased, if not totally objective, arbiter.
14/09/2012 09:35:47 PM
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QB #2.
17/09/2012 03:08:18 AM
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You honed in on and explained the difference perfectly.
17/09/2012 05:48:21 PM
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