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I DISagree with both of you. Joel Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 02:36:05 AM
Mainly this part:
IMO, private acts of charity should always be something that happens after society has had its say, because the wealth isn't truly private until then. So I think there's a problem with the way we currently do things.

It is not that a portion of ALL income belongs to society; there are inevitable expenses to account for first, which we nominally recognize in things like Standard and Dependent Deductions. Many people live quite modestly despite quite large salaries, investments or other income, because they donate most of it to charity. It would be not only wrong but cruel to show up in April demanding 30% of their annual income after they gave away half of it.

Thirdly, what value does allowing people to offset chartible donations against tax offer, in particular when it is giving to a church - if someone has to give a set % as a tithe, then are they going to refuse to if they can't offset it against tax.

This is much of the problem: If charitable donations were not tax deductible they would drop dramatically from necessity, because the need to pay higher taxes (in some cases MUCH higher) would force people to set aside money for it that they would otherwise donate. The value of tax deductible donations is in allowing people to support causes they DO believe in (a powerful incentive for support) without facing a crippling tax burden as a result.
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Taxes and Charity Burr - 23/09/2012 04:57:07 AM 1155 Views
Proof that Burr is ..... Anonymous2000 - 23/09/2012 05:05:37 AM 609 Views
Voting. Joel - 23/09/2012 06:43:12 AM 713 Views
Joel = Fool ; I vote every year, are you just saying random things now? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/09/2012 01:42:49 AM 242 Views
"I am proud to say that I didn't vote for anyone in 2004."-Anonymous2000 Joel - 25/09/2012 01:52:00 AM 797 Views
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Anonymous2000 - 25/09/2012 02:54:28 AM 589 Views
"Anyone" means "anyone;" perhaps you have a writing comprehension problem. Joel - 25/09/2012 03:39:11 AM 596 Views
Joel = Moron Anonymous2000 - 25/09/2012 04:37:15 AM 626 Views
The statement was ambiguous, hence I was not the only one who read it as I did. Joel - 25/09/2012 05:19:46 AM 674 Views
You could leave out the insults, you know? ironclad - 25/09/2012 08:35:12 AM 691 Views
It is an old debate, and one with many edits. Joel - 23/09/2012 06:32:40 AM 803 Views
Re: Taxes and Charity Jragghen - 23/09/2012 07:47:16 AM 710 Views
I imagine much of Romney's charitable giving is to the Mormon Church. Tim - 23/09/2012 12:08:45 PM 665 Views
Almost all of my charitable giving goes to Mercy Corps aerocontrols - 23/09/2012 03:48:30 PM 628 Views
Let me see how I interpret this post... jh - 23/09/2012 04:56:20 PM 676 Views
huh? aerocontrols - 23/09/2012 06:49:52 PM 759 Views
I would argue that "our society" includes the rest of the world as well. *NM* Aeryn - 26/09/2012 03:24:02 PM 260 Views
Ok aerocontrols - 26/09/2012 07:36:35 PM 691 Views
Is the Mormon Church not part of society? But that issue is part of why I favor taxation. *NM* Burr - 23/09/2012 10:14:39 PM 246 Views
I'm part of society too. Does that mean I'm as worthy a recipient of money as the public purse? *NM* Tim - 23/09/2012 10:37:31 PM 290 Views
If you can get the IRS to certify you as a 501(c)(3), then yes. If not, no. *NM* Tom - 23/09/2012 11:07:13 PM 253 Views
To whatever extent that we should support charity beyond taxation, yes, you are, IMO. Burr - 24/09/2012 03:56:31 AM 595 Views
I agree with you snoopcester - 24/09/2012 11:25:14 AM 2009 Views
Charity in place of tax aerocontrols - 24/09/2012 12:05:03 PM 656 Views
I am very well aware of that. *NM* snoopcester - 24/09/2012 01:47:06 PM 243 Views
I DISagree with both of you. Joel - 25/09/2012 02:36:05 AM 1925 Views
Re: I DISagree with both of you. Burr - 25/09/2012 02:26:16 PM 903 Views
The difference there is between non-profit and for-profit organizations. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:09:00 AM 619 Views
At the risk of sounding like a fundamentalist... Tom - 23/09/2012 11:05:14 PM 649 Views
Local symphonies are usually charities aerocontrols - 23/09/2012 11:21:07 PM 637 Views
Yes - cultural and educational non-profits are usually tax-deductible. Tom - 24/09/2012 01:57:13 PM 595 Views
Re: Yes - cultural and educational non-profits are usually tax-deductible. aerocontrols - 24/09/2012 02:58:17 PM 722 Views
Very well said. *NM* Narg - 24/09/2012 06:12:23 PM 273 Views
will you count Scientology as a church? Aeryn - 26/09/2012 03:26:53 PM 646 Views
Unrelated business income is taxable under IRC 511. You know that. Tom - 27/09/2012 11:31:45 PM 613 Views
Let's look at this from a different point of view.... Jeordam - 24/09/2012 11:51:43 PM 577 Views
I covered that point of view in my response. Joel - 25/09/2012 03:31:38 AM 742 Views
I routinely do not read your posts (including this one)... Too long. Jeordam - 25/09/2012 04:12:24 PM 610 Views
Relating a typically long and tortuous experience with (private) bureaucracy was itself protracted. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:15:35 AM 572 Views
You need both. Aeryn - 26/09/2012 03:35:41 PM 690 Views
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