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I actually like that much better than the 51% good/evil view of judgement. Joel Send a noteboard - 05/11/2012 06:26:00 PM
2. There are no absolute villains irl. Most people just have good moments and bad moments.

That is your moment of laundromat zen.

It's merely that he had an off day or two, not his utter hatred of entire races of people, or his fanatical zealotry and bigotry that caused his actions?

Just food for thought - I once had an internal argument where I tried to settle the question: "Could Hitler be lead to repentance and actually be given/shown forgiveness for his crimes against humanity?" ... I conluded that while his redemption on a spiritual level (albeit a huuuuuuuge longshot) may be possible, his actions and total works were beyond a human beings capacity to understand, let alone forgive. The level of atonement would be impossible to fill, yet - according to doctrine no one is beyond forgiveness. So think if he repented before he capped himself, and say for argument's sake he had Ava pop him and not off himself - he'd be in heaven hangin' with the apostles at dinner like one of the guys.

No one has walked so long in the Shadow they cannot return to the Light, or so I have read. ;) I like that notion much better, for many reasons, than the idea Mother Theresa and MLK did so much good they could have committed a "free murder" and still gotten into heaven. Divine perfection is a Boolean binary thing, qualitative rather quantitative, and absolute. Both Hitler and a kid stealing Halloween candy from a sibling fall short; "how much" is an irrelevant concept. That is before we even get into the prospect of condemning the "51% evil" person to excrutiating eternal torment while the "51% good" person earns eternal bliss.

It's sorta like the theological question: Can god make a stone so large that even he himself cannot lift?

If you answer yes you deny the omnipotence of god, and if you say no then you also deny his omnipotence. Circular logic will leave one dizzy.
Well, sure, there is a close relation, because asking whether there is such a thing as an unforgiveable sin makes the questions identical. However, the stone question is a false paradigm; Gods omnipotence means He can lift any stone, so the question is not really if He can make one He cannot lift, but whether He can make something that cannot BE. Obviously not: No amount of power is sufficient to make water dry or darkness bright; water is not water if dry, and darkness is not darkness if bright. The limitation, however, lies in the substance, not its maker.

There wasn't really an answer here, but it struck me that the laundromat zen might be a tad too simplistic for it to truly be a philosophy to live by, but it certainly did spark thought.

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