Active Users:587 Time:02/04/2026 09:45:37 PM
So very conflicted, in so many ways.... Joel Send a noteboard - 16/12/2012 04:14:08 PM
Xenophobia is defined as, and more importantly is used as, fear or hatred of foreigners. It is not just fear. Nor is homophobia simply fear. Neither homophobia or xenophobia are clinical phobias; they are social concepts, not medical ones.

You are being needlessly prescriptivist, and it doesn't help your argument any.

The prescriptivist in me (which, as we all know, is about 95% of me) agrees with him. Using the same suffix in reference to genuine fears like acrophobia or agoraphobia AND bigotry like homophobia or xenophobia is both ambiguous and, ultimately, disingenuous. It creates problems like the one we have here: Simply opposing homosexual acts to any extent and on any basis connotes bigotry, which is further exacerbated by the terms non-coincidental derivation from a mental disorder (we have evidently come full circle from the days when society viewed homosexuality itself as a mental disorder. :rolleyes:)

It also leaves no room for the situation Jeordam cites of having no personal or other animosity toward a given group of people or their behavior, but strongly disagreeing with them or their behavior. Note: I am deliberatley ignoring the nature v. nurture controversy on homosexuality both because the jury is very much still out on that and, far more importantly, it is irrelevant to behavior, the pertinent issue here. No one cares who is or is not gay until they want to get married or have sex.

Many people believe homosexual sex wrong WITHOUT believing homosexuals should be denied the right to consensual sex and marriage with the partner they choose. Calling them homophobes is, IMHO, a slight, one that serves gay rights about as well as accusing everyone opposed to abortion on demand of wanting women to die in back alleys. Insisting those who do not completely agree on all issues are with the opposition has a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. ;)
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 16/12/2012 at 04:14:46 PM
Reply to message
SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia is brilliant, just brilliant - - 11/12/2012 05:09:19 AM 1216 Views
WTF does "I don’t care what their intent was. I care what it was that they intended" mean? - 11/12/2012 09:03:23 PM 738 Views
Yeah I read that twice to see if that was right *NM* - 11/12/2012 09:36:55 PM 343 Views
Part of me pities Scalias decline, because he could once nimbly and convincly argue black is white. - 12/12/2012 07:09:56 PM 713 Views
Re: your post. - 12/12/2012 07:18:18 PM 674 Views
You are quite right; I never noticed that until now. - 12/12/2012 07:29:08 PM 781 Views
Not quite - 12/12/2012 08:16:27 PM 781 Views
Poes Law. - 16/12/2012 01:42:55 PM 705 Views
More like disapeared in a puff of Florida's own law that they were trying to ignore. - 12/12/2012 08:13:13 PM 706 Views
actually..... - 12/12/2012 08:32:58 PM 777 Views
Re: actually..... - 12/12/2012 09:39:01 PM 733 Views
Your whole rant lacks any logic - 12/12/2012 03:46:34 PM 771 Views
+1 - logic is not his strong suit. *NM* - 12/12/2012 04:21:09 PM 297 Views
His comment references the authors (NOT words) intent in both negative and affirmative. - 12/12/2012 06:45:02 PM 696 Views
Rebuttal - 12/12/2012 07:58:41 PM 726 Views
Only nominally. - 16/12/2012 03:54:38 PM 712 Views
I was stumped by his phrasing as well - 12/12/2012 09:31:53 PM 604 Views
The SCotUS is no place for raging homophobes. - 13/12/2012 04:48:30 AM 857 Views
Sorry you don't like it, but what he said is true. - 13/12/2012 03:11:42 PM 747 Views
Lol. Homophobia is synonymous w/ homonegativism. It's not meant to convey a true phobia *NM* - 13/12/2012 03:28:01 PM 414 Views
So then what we need is a definition of homophobia? - 13/12/2012 09:56:15 PM 786 Views
Re: So then what we need is a definition of homophobia? - 13/12/2012 11:16:46 PM 726 Views
-phobe : Greek -phobos, adj. derivative of phóbos fear, panic - 13/12/2012 11:32:14 PM 746 Views
Do you have a similar problem with "xenophobia?" Because it's exactly the same thing. - 14/12/2012 01:30:24 AM 675 Views
xenophobia is the fear of the alien... WTF are you trying to say? - 14/12/2012 03:03:09 AM 740 Views
No. You are patently, objectively incorrect. - 14/12/2012 08:39:00 AM 658 Views
An aside. - 14/12/2012 01:21:32 PM 741 Views
Don't believe me, ask a Greek it is after all THEIR word. I gave you some extra capitals, happy now? *NM* - 14/12/2012 02:56:09 PM 413 Views
stop being obtuse - 14/12/2012 05:10:41 PM 718 Views
Hmmmm lets see, people misuse a word, perverting its meaning... - 14/12/2012 07:29:11 PM 682 Views
Double post. *NM* - 14/12/2012 10:14:50 PM 318 Views
that's glory for you! - 14/12/2012 10:44:30 PM 746 Views
So very conflicted, in so many ways.... - 16/12/2012 04:14:08 PM 849 Views

Reply to Message