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True, but it does demonstrate how easily and frequently notoriety motivates shootings. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/12/2012 07:22:37 PM
They wanted to assassinate one famous person for the infamy that it brought. Chapman, sadly, succeeded, and Hinckley, happily, did not (you may disagree on whether the latter's failure was a good thing).

And serial killers are called that because they kill one person at a time (or, rarely, a couple of people at a time) in a series of killings. It's a completely different behavior pattern with a completely different psychological profile. And serial killers are REALLY not affected by gun control, since many of them use knives and other weapons designed to slow the death and allow them to get more of a high off the act of the killing.

As noted in my above response to moondog, it is not as simple as saying the desire for celebrity motivates all mass shootings, because many factors can be critical, and overlapping motives are not uncommon. When mental illness leads to mass shootings, of course, no rational motive is required. As particularly noted in my response to moondog though, the line between seeking vengeance on society or merely fame is usually blurry. Taking vengeance on a group without it knowing who is responsible or even that anything happened is rather difficult, so fame is usually a required means even when not a true goal. That may or may not cover basic alienation, depending on whether the latter leads to active hatred of society or "only" replaces empathy with apathy.

Mass shootings are, regrettably, frequent enough to have varied primary causes. Fame can be among them, as is suspected in the Aurora shootings: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/psychologists-suggest-accused-killer-james-holmes-was-seeking-fame So can vengeance, as in the Ft. Hood shootings. So can mental illness, as in the UT Tower shootings. Dissociative alienation did not prompt witnesses of Kitty Genoveses murder to kill anyone, but it seems likely it did allow many of them to sit idly watching her brutally raped and murdered without even bothering to call police. There are no one-size-fits-all solutions, but every reasonable preventive step would be welcome at this point.
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True, but it does demonstrate how easily and frequently notoriety motivates shootings. - 26/12/2012 07:22:37 PM 745 Views

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