I don't mind agreeing to disagree - I don't think that he shouldn't have spoken out.
View original postNo, he did not, had he done so we'd be holding impeachment and removal proceedings. Whether or not the president committed a crime is not under discussion, whether or not he acted unwisely, displayed prejudice, or fed into existing anger is.
And I don't agree that that is what he did.
View original postOr are you arguing he served the nation better by not having said, the first time asked and never unsolicited, "This is an ongoing criminal case, it would not be proper for me to comment."?
I am not arguing that he served the nation better, worse or indifferently, and I do not believe he commented on the case.
I am saying that sometimes things need to be said, even if they aren't comfortable. You can agree or disagree with him however you want, but I do not think he was fanning the flames - I think he was trying to bridge the gap. "Our side" needed to understand something (baggage) and the "other side" needed to be validated. Whether or not it worked is debatable.
View original postNow you've made many points, some quite good, but the problem is they all come back to the same original screwup, speaking on the matter at all, and he hasn't acknowledged that screwup nor just let it fade out.
It's not a problem for me, because I don't see it as a screw up. I think part of the president's job is to take a stance and speak up. Sometimes I'll agree and sometimes I won't. Otherwise, why do we spend so much time teasing him for being a wienie? * shrugs *
I appreciate the conversation anyway.
This message last edited by nossy on 21/07/2013 at 12:20:07 AM
"Trayvon Martin could have been me." President Obama
19/07/2013 11:27:21 PM
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My interpretation is that he's being incredibly racist...against blacks
19/07/2013 11:52:37 PM
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From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it
20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM
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Would he just shut up about it already? *pukes a little in mouth* *NM*
20/07/2013 04:20:07 AM
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Yeah. As someone who voted for Obama and would do so again, this is embarrassing.
20/07/2013 10:10:53 AM
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Does it matter now? Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will stay free. It's over.
20/07/2013 04:24:43 AM
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C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here.
20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM
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"I am not a racist I swear it" is what we are reduced for not agreeing on race
20/07/2013 04:44:52 PM
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No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in
20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM
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for me his about what will work not what is fair
22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM
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It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them
22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM
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sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution
23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM
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A touch over the top don't you think?
20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM
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One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense
20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM
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I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner
21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM
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There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM*
21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM
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There will always be something "more important." *NM*
21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM
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I am of two minds on the issue. *edit*
21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM
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Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point.
21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM
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People do forget that he's only half black - and more importantly, not "African American" at all.
21/07/2013 07:08:28 PM
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I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial".
22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM
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That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM*
23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM
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So do lots of white kids.
23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM
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It is the truth, though.
23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM
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I do not agree.
23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM
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Because he has publicly said that he has lived the life of a black man.
24/07/2013 06:12:27 AM
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I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has.
24/07/2013 08:21:04 AM
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Re: I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has.
24/07/2013 02:22:58 PM
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This is a complex issue.
23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM
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Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person.
23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM
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Re: Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person.
23/07/2013 11:31:03 PM
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Yes, Obama was raised by white people. Wikipedia says so, so it must be true! *NM*
24/07/2013 04:16:31 AM
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Perusing.
24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM
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That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM*
24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM
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I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman
24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM
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Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM*
24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM
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No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm
25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM
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No, not really.
26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM
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I've thought about this a lot recently (prejudice + power = racism).
26/07/2013 10:36:16 AM
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so some liberal ivory tower racist redefined the word to mean they were no racist
26/07/2013 01:16:48 PM
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As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM*
21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM
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That's not very nice.
21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM
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So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft?
21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM
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