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As mentioned nossy Send a noteboard - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM

I don't mind agreeing to disagree - I don't think that he shouldn't have spoken out.


View original postNo, he did not, had he done so we'd be holding impeachment and removal proceedings. Whether or not the president committed a crime is not under discussion, whether or not he acted unwisely, displayed prejudice, or fed into existing anger is.

And I don't agree that that is what he did.
View original postOr are you arguing he served the nation better by not having said, the first time asked and never unsolicited, "This is an ongoing criminal case, it would not be proper for me to comment."?

I am not arguing that he served the nation better, worse or indifferently, and I do not believe he commented on the case.
I am saying that sometimes things need to be said, even if they aren't comfortable. You can agree or disagree with him however you want, but I do not think he was fanning the flames - I think he was trying to bridge the gap. "Our side" needed to understand something (baggage) and the "other side" needed to be validated. Whether or not it worked is debatable.
View original postNow you've made many points, some quite good, but the problem is they all come back to the same original screwup, speaking on the matter at all, and he hasn't acknowledged that screwup nor just let it fade out.

It's not a problem for me, because I don't see it as a screw up. I think part of the president's job is to take a stance and speak up. Sometimes I'll agree and sometimes I won't. Otherwise, why do we spend so much time teasing him for being a wienie? * shrugs *

I appreciate the conversation anyway.

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I can't like your reply enough. *NM* Rebekah - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 369 Views
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for me his about what will work not what is fair random thoughts - 22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM 835 Views
It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them nossy - 22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM 856 Views
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution random thoughts - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM 721 Views
He did not talk about the case nossy - 23/07/2013 07:32:44 PM 745 Views
A touch over the top don't you think? Isaac - 20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM 756 Views
One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense nossy - 20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM 763 Views
Re: One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense Isaac - 20/07/2013 11:53:08 PM 801 Views
As mentioned nossy - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM 841 Views
Re: As mentioned Isaac - 21/07/2013 02:25:30 PM 758 Views
You just EXACTLY quoted the point I was making MrFarstrider - 20/07/2013 06:04:25 PM 843 Views
Em... not so sure I did. nossy - 20/07/2013 10:19:54 PM 693 Views
I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM 873 Views
We will also have to agree to disagree. nossy - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 891 Views
There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM 365 Views
There will always be something "more important." *NM* nossy - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 334 Views
That's specious reasoning. Ghavrel - 21/07/2013 12:02:17 PM 719 Views
It is if you sidestep my point. nossy - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 690 Views
I am of two minds on the issue. *edit* Avendesora - 21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM 777 Views
Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point. nossy - 21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM 818 Views
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I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial". Avendesora - 22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM 837 Views
That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 394 Views
So do lots of white kids. nossy - 23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM 671 Views
It is the truth, though. Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM 734 Views
I do not agree. nossy - 23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM 764 Views
Because he has publicly said that he has lived the life of a black man. Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 06:12:27 AM 671 Views
I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has. nossy - 24/07/2013 08:21:04 AM 851 Views
Re: I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 02:22:58 PM 759 Views
I know, and I find that weird. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 12:57:39 PM 781 Views
This is a complex issue. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM 698 Views
Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM 682 Views
Yes nossy - 23/07/2013 07:11:54 PM 854 Views
Re: Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 11:31:03 PM 676 Views
Yes, Obama was raised by white people. Wikipedia says so, so it must be true! *NM* Macharius - 24/07/2013 04:16:31 AM 377 Views
Perusing. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM 786 Views
That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM 351 Views
I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman random thoughts - 24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM 727 Views
Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM 346 Views
No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm Macharius - 25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM 767 Views
No, not really. Ghavrel - 26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM 672 Views
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My reply to Nossy above. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 02:25:49 PM 719 Views
As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* ironclad - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 336 Views
That's not very nice. MrFarstrider - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 789 Views
No, probably not. ironclad - 21/07/2013 10:01:36 PM 742 Views
Its unfortunate you see us the way you do MrFarstrider - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 788 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? Anonymous2000 - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 716 Views
No, but he could have. jh - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 680 Views
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