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Since when? Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/07/2013 05:11:52 AM

View original postThere simply isn't enough farm land to grow enough fresh fruits and vegetables in the north east to keep everyone fed and there are not enough people in the Midwest to eat all that they can grow. People have grown used to being able to get a large variety of fresh fruits all year long and to be honest I really am not that eager to give it up.

The Northeast is not, I think, the mega-importer of foods you seem to think it is. And again I'm not talking about transport-optimal foods like grains, I'm talking about fresh produce which spoils quick, weighs a lot per calorie, and is a pain to ship. You can't exactly dump a hundred thousand tomatoes into a big bin on the back of a train. I'm talking abut making hydroponic hothouses easier to setup so you can grow tomatoes in Maine in January, and encouraging GMO's of crops more adapted for local environments and more productive then natural versions. And about taking very mild, very mild steps to encourage people to favor more locally available foods, an apple over an orange in Massachusetts, etc. I'm not suggesting we start trying to grow millions of bushels of grain in New York, partially because we already do so. It would make more sense to use that land for other less transport friendly foods.


View original postIf people want to do that is all well and good but I haven't seen real evidence that it is little more than a feel good bandaid. Nothing wrong with those as long as they are not offered as large scale solutions and they do nothing to address the problem the article is focusing on which is providing low cost that is readily available to large numbers of people.

The Luddite wing of agriculture are, to me, essentially a group of people who should be flogged, under the assumption that might end the 'feel good' aspect of things for them. As I said, I'm talking about re-examining our agricultural subsidy formulas to place less emphasis on churning out millions of bushels of corn in Kansas in favor of millions of tomatoes and heads of lettuce near NYC in January. We need to remember that this is not a straight capitalism issue, we already tinker with the agriculture market extensively. Absent those subsides the dynamics change, there's a lot of arable land closer to the metropolitan areas which would suddenly become economically viable for food production and there's a lot of crops and agricultural methods which would become viable if we weren't subsidizing certain staples right now, or equally subsidized those.


View original postWe buy some organic food and we do buy local food when it is available and the price is reasonable but I am hardly poor and I have a wife doesn't work and can spend hours on food preparation if she chooses, and sometime she does but there 6.5 million people living in the greater DFW are and I would not want to try and supply most of the food for that many people just on what can be grown locally.

Well organic farming is not too far short of aiding and abetting mass murder in my book, as opposed to organic gardening which is essentially a hobby and challenge. Anyway, any given region of Texas is quite capable of feeding itself its just cheaper to import the food. You can grow food on a big dead piece of desert quite easily, it will just cost you more than doing it a place that has ample rain so there's no point as long as there are places with ample rain not growing food. And again, like I've said, a lot of these 'grow local, eat local' sorts are over the top, it doesn't invalidate sensible application of the concepts. There's a big difference between offering low interest loans to invest in things like like capillary mats or funding GMO research and simply dumping money into green dreams.


View original postHe is over the top in his rhetoric but I still don't see where he is wrong in his basic analysis. He is n way more over the top then what we see on a regular basis from the people he is criticizing.

Depends on who you assume he is criticizing.

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The greatest food in human history? - 28/07/2013 05:13:31 PM 1350 Views
That would've been a rather more useful article... - 28/07/2013 06:31:01 PM 732 Views
If you are going hungry calories do matter - 28/07/2013 09:19:45 PM 658 Views
Maybe it's a bit of repression and projection onto the people who eat there? - 29/07/2013 01:36:10 AM 786 Views
He sounds like a nut. *NM* - 28/07/2013 08:29:29 PM 515 Views
unlike the people who think we should all eat food grown within 100 miles of where we live? - 28/07/2013 09:22:07 PM 758 Views
Supply issues of transportation are not entirely unjustified, though often exaggerated - 28/07/2013 10:38:04 PM 884 Views
population distrubution makes that solution unworkable - 28/07/2013 11:34:16 PM 758 Views
Since when? - 29/07/2013 05:11:52 AM 804 Views
I am all in favor os sensible thigs and try to practice them myself - 29/07/2013 01:03:45 PM 780 Views
They are nuts too. - 29/07/2013 03:30:46 PM 775 Views
My experiences with the whole organic, etc. people. - 29/07/2013 01:46:11 AM 765 Views
I thought he was being satirical. At least until I kept reading. - 29/07/2013 03:15:12 AM 725 Views
Depends on whether you live in a food desert or not. *NM* - 29/07/2013 01:10:56 PM 393 Views
fast food doesn't make you fat. To much food makes you fat - 29/07/2013 01:11:28 PM 819 Views
Too much food definitely makes you fat but in comparing apples to apples... - 29/07/2013 01:46:08 PM 822 Views
calories are calories - 29/07/2013 03:36:59 PM 830 Views
I don't agree with your subject - 29/07/2013 07:05:50 PM 922 Views
Yeah, I thought the same. Body totally contradicts subject. *NM* - 30/07/2013 02:50:59 AM 1006 Views
I was refering to weight gain not general health *NM* - 30/07/2013 05:38:15 PM 376 Views
And I still don't agree with you. - 30/07/2013 06:48:14 PM 713 Views
but you should be used to that by now *NM* - 30/07/2013 08:51:12 PM 475 Views
And I don't really see - 29/07/2013 02:55:41 PM 686 Views
Re: And I don't really see - 29/07/2013 05:29:55 PM 690 Views
Not to discount the points he makes, but what I find interesting ... - 29/07/2013 03:51:59 AM 753 Views
I don't know if thinks it is OK or just acept the reality of it - 29/07/2013 01:05:52 PM 746 Views
I'm sure you could live off them for quite a while. - 29/07/2013 01:38:09 PM 806 Views
Super Size me was BS - 29/07/2013 06:23:26 PM 653 Views
I eat mostly organic, homemade, etc - 29/07/2013 07:23:02 PM 760 Views
I think most of us track costs just as a self-justification though - 29/07/2013 08:43:09 PM 825 Views
Mm, somewhat. - 29/07/2013 10:38:22 PM 807 Views
Re: Mm, somewhat. - 29/07/2013 11:34:00 PM 766 Views
I have brown eggs and free rnage chicken in mmy fridge so I am not judging - 30/07/2013 01:12:51 PM 895 Views
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What, you have brown eggs?! - 30/07/2013 06:56:28 PM 767 Views
I know! - 30/07/2013 07:13:31 PM 759 Views
well I don't do the shopping just the eating - 30/07/2013 08:49:51 PM 675 Views
Well, eating is my favourite part of a meal too... - 30/07/2013 10:39:22 PM 626 Views
FYI: Egg shell color is determined by the breed of the hen, not by diet or living conditions. - 01/08/2013 05:04:32 PM 764 Views
So I have learned - 01/08/2013 05:53:18 PM 912 Views
Re: bird diet - 02/08/2013 02:51:23 PM 784 Views
WTF? Kale is good. *NM* - 01/08/2013 06:31:28 PM 429 Views

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