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its going to be hard to find support from the West MrFarstrider Send a noteboard - 01/03/2014 06:37:15 PM

I think (and hope) people are starting to realize that proxy wars are becoming increasingly commonplace in a world of nuclear mutually assured destruction. World actors can no longer fight each other head to head and thus fight via proxies for some relatively insignificant purpose. In a post-Cold War, post-Iraq mess, people are less willing to throw dead bodies at a shadow war fighting for a who's dick is bigger chunk of world favoritism. A desire for a return to isolationism will increase until there is a war fighting purpose that legitimately resounds with the general population. That's not to say wars won't continue as the defense contractors gotta get paid so that they can re-elect politicians.... But the populace's support for them won't be significant.

We saw a lot of ire with operations in Syria, Libya, tough talk with Iran, and now Ukraine. The Russians will be able to get away with what they want because the West's population doesn't want to get involved in something insignificant just to put the Russians in their place. So, as a representative of public support, President Obama is completely limited on what he can do to Russia. You may be of the opinion that he should talk tough, kill millions of Americans in war to prove a point, nuke everybody to save the Ukraine from Red Russia but most people will be as quick to tell you to sit down and shut up as they were with taking military action in Syria.

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Don't Make me Laugh, Mr. Obama - 01/03/2014 03:14:50 AM 1658 Views
i like obama and even i think that was dumb of him. *NM* - 01/03/2014 05:24:39 AM 633 Views
yep yep. why do you hate on Kerry, though ? *NM* - 01/03/2014 08:11:52 AM 525 Views
He's a useless asshat. *NM* - 01/03/2014 04:14:54 PM 553 Views
He's not the only lame duck in this, though. - 01/03/2014 05:41:01 PM 1215 Views
It's a little more complicated than that, I think. - 01/03/2014 07:42:20 PM 1107 Views
It's always more complicated... - 01/03/2014 08:57:54 PM 1070 Views
Yes yes yes. This. - 01/03/2014 09:11:19 PM 982 Views
Well, we split on that then - I most certainly do not support such an annexation. - 01/03/2014 10:25:48 PM 993 Views
Any reason you keep misspelling Sevastopol? - 02/03/2014 12:52:01 AM 1204 Views
You write "the Ukraine", while calling me old-fashioned? - 02/03/2014 01:57:58 AM 1062 Views
Yes. Dropping "the" is an anti-Russian move. It will always be the Ukraine. - 02/03/2014 02:58:32 AM 1069 Views
Just because there's an article in Russian doesn't mean there has to be one in English. - 02/03/2014 11:21:25 AM 1035 Views
I say the Sudan and the Congo. - 02/03/2014 02:17:33 PM 1047 Views
You do? Why? - 02/03/2014 03:21:56 PM 1149 Views
its going to be hard to find support from the West - 01/03/2014 06:37:15 PM 1024 Views
Obama is weak and is viewed as a joke by most of the world. - 03/03/2014 04:12:25 PM 921 Views
Don't worry, not as much as the ape before him *NM* - 04/03/2014 03:23:14 PM 551 Views
So what's your plan of action? - 03/03/2014 11:25:59 PM 997 Views
My plan of action is to let Putin have Ukraine. We have no interests there. *NM* - 04/03/2014 01:29:45 AM 569 Views
Ehem. Why are you being anti-Russian? ;-) - 04/03/2014 01:25:37 PM 1058 Views
Of course we do - 04/03/2014 04:57:09 PM 1017 Views
Wrong. - 04/03/2014 06:04:31 PM 940 Views
that ignores the point - 06/03/2014 02:01:09 PM 1212 Views
No, it doesn't. - 06/03/2014 02:57:16 PM 1006 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. - 06/03/2014 06:22:32 PM 1043 Views
Yes, the US violated the agreement. - 06/03/2014 07:27:23 PM 1114 Views
I have answered your question but you have still refused to answer my point - 07/03/2014 01:48:53 PM 1021 Views
You assume that the Ukraine's borders should be inviolate. - 09/03/2014 05:56:45 PM 1050 Views
Russia signed an agreement to not violate those borders - 10/03/2014 12:18:37 PM 1001 Views
Oh, and now the West is talking about $15 billion in loans for Ukraine. - 05/03/2014 11:41:12 PM 962 Views
And you see that as the same thing as sending in troops? - 06/03/2014 01:37:28 PM 956 Views
I think you've listened to too much propaganda from the 1990s. - 06/03/2014 03:06:18 PM 950 Views
More like the 80s - 07/03/2014 01:50:43 PM 1002 Views
So I guess traveling to Russia extensively is of no value. - 09/03/2014 05:58:00 PM 946 Views
in this case no it doesn't. - 10/03/2014 12:20:13 PM 939 Views
The junk they used in Chechnya was laughable... - 16/03/2014 01:51:28 AM 1146 Views
Its a great time to throw some missiles in Poland - 04/03/2014 03:43:24 AM 1062 Views
Call me crazy, but I like this idea! - 04/03/2014 12:31:07 PM 1143 Views
There are no longer two super powers *NM* - 04/03/2014 04:40:16 PM 545 Views
Under Obama, it would seem there are none. *NM* - 04/03/2014 06:15:27 PM 511 Views
at Poland *NM* - 04/03/2014 08:09:14 PM 531 Views
In case you're not familiar with BMD - 04/03/2014 11:13:06 PM 1025 Views
I know what you're talking about, I was just kidding around *NM* - 04/03/2014 11:41:20 PM 539 Views
*NM* - 05/03/2014 12:38:54 AM 541 Views
*NM* - 05/03/2014 01:00:57 AM 528 Views
Ron Paul, interestingly enough, agrees with me. - 04/03/2014 02:38:44 PM 963 Views

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