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The problem is the usual one in American politics - people don't even agree on the facts anymore. Legolas Send a noteboard - 30/11/2014 06:23:34 PM

The grand jury got all the information that was available, contradictory as it was, and came to that conclusion, so I'm inclined to assume that their conclusion is more likely than the one of Brown's defenders. Which doesn't have to mean Brown's intent had to be homicidal, merely that Wilson had to have a good reason to believe it was.

But the conclusion that American cops are killing civilians at a stupefying rate is inevitable, and regardless of the exact circumstances of this case, something needs to be done about that. Probably people picked the wrong case to make a big deal out of, but the basic point is not wrong. And I think there is more agreement on that broader point than you'd think by just looking at this case, where both sides are just staying in their usual trenches shooting at each other, disputing not just the interpretation but even the facts - it's difficult to swallow your words and change your mind on a topic as sensitive as this one, unless you're a total outsider (like me).

But that law enforcement is increasingly using excessive violence, that SWAT teams are being used for the most absurd purposes, those are points that conservatives can agree with as well, I think.

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Ferguson Grand Jury Decision - Good Call! - 29/11/2014 01:29:14 PM 1381 Views
Grand Juries don't determine guilt or innocence. - 29/11/2014 04:36:35 PM 1049 Views
Yes, there were winners and losers..... - 29/11/2014 07:45:33 PM 1018 Views
Re: Grand Juries don't determine guilt or innocence. - 30/11/2014 10:56:14 AM 1542 Views
Re: Grand Juries don't determine guilt or innocence. - 01/12/2014 12:56:10 AM 1001 Views
Nonsense - 30/11/2014 06:57:39 AM 1007 Views
*NM* *NM* - 30/11/2014 07:05:40 AM 554 Views
Yes, Germans sound exactly like the kind of people who pick fights with cops... - 01/12/2014 04:02:02 AM 1009 Views
Well... - 01/12/2014 11:03:51 PM 999 Views
and a cryihg shame you don't have such a peice of paper - 02/12/2014 01:37:38 PM 948 Views
LOL - 02/12/2014 04:07:06 PM 937 Views
I didn't know you were fixing the problem - 02/12/2014 07:12:12 PM 946 Views
The problem is the usual one in American politics - people don't even agree on the facts anymore. - 30/11/2014 06:23:34 PM 983 Views
The problem is people are ignoring the facts and the media is leading the charge *NM* - 01/12/2014 01:33:43 PM 631 Views
Bingo..... *NM* - 01/12/2014 02:43:50 PM 496 Views
I agree completely, but probably not for the same reasons. *NM* - 01/12/2014 08:21:46 PM 516 Views
You can't really beliee there are any facts that support the idea the Wilson should be charged? - 01/12/2014 11:38:27 PM 928 Views
I honestly don't feel like discussing that with you, because nuance doesn't seem to be a thing. - 02/12/2014 09:54:53 PM 930 Views
Sorry but I am just have a hard time finding anyone making a valid argument that GJ was wrong - 03/12/2014 02:13:47 PM 981 Views
That isn't my argument. - 03/12/2014 10:04:39 PM 980 Views
Re: That isn't my argument. - 04/12/2014 08:06:38 PM 1146 Views
rampid stupidity it the real problem and thank for demonstraing that - 04/12/2014 11:06:49 PM 1318 Views
I don't care what you say to MD anywhere else, - 05/12/2014 11:29:43 AM 1054 Views
How many people on "your" side waited for these facts to make up their mind? - 01/12/2014 08:30:03 PM 951 Views
why all of them of course - 01/12/2014 11:36:33 PM 923 Views
This is as dumb as the other post. *NM* - 02/12/2014 04:14:12 AM 546 Views
Horseshit - 02/12/2014 01:32:07 PM 898 Views

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