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Re: "Proportions, man." Nebhead Send a noteboard - 05/12/2014 03:34:16 PM

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Well, yes, it is all about proportions.

Blacks killed by police: 123 = 27.4% of those killed
Whites killed by police: 326 = 72.6% of those killed


According to FBI stats:

"69.3 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.1 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races."

So, it looks like there is a very close correlation between how much your "group" has crime-related contact with the police and you being killed by them.

Are police "overkilling" people? Probably. Does it look related to race, at least from THESE stats? No.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

Around about 13-14% of the US population is black. The stats you show above mean that black people are both arrested (28.1%), and killed by police (27.4%), about twice as often as white people.

Comparing the actual numbers against each other is meaningless unless you take them as a proportion of total population.

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New York cop pushes black man's face into pavement and chokes him to death for selling cigerettes Sports_Gambler - 04/12/2014 12:03:54 AM 1303 Views
What does his color have to do with anything? Cannoli - 04/12/2014 07:37:08 AM 824 Views
A short answer for your long post beetnemesis - 04/12/2014 04:43:12 PM 682 Views
123 blacks shot to death by cops in 2012; 326 whites. Cannoli - 05/12/2014 12:40:56 AM 770 Views
These numbers make me angry. Urza - 05/12/2014 05:39:26 AM 682 Views
I hate these stats, so misleading. Only 13% of the US population is black! Nebhead - 05/12/2014 02:02:18 PM 858 Views
"Proportions, man." LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 02:28:23 PM 638 Views
math is hard nossy - 05/12/2014 02:45:08 PM 732 Views
It doesn't matter why. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 03:19:54 PM 872 Views
it does to me. nossy - 05/12/2014 03:52:01 PM 681 Views
Dangerous territories when you talk socioeconomics The Shrike - 05/12/2014 04:08:57 PM 641 Views
Danger is my middle name. *NM* nossy - 05/12/2014 04:47:23 PM 356 Views
But that's a completely separate issue than the one that the post is talking about. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 05:12:44 PM 805 Views
Heh, yes. Because none of us ever adds layers to these posts. Ever. nossy - 05/12/2014 07:34:04 PM 704 Views
That is SUCH A BAD SENTENCE. nossy - 05/12/2014 08:07:18 PM 698 Views
I'm not Tom The Shrike - 05/12/2014 10:13:43 PM 636 Views
Thus spake Patsy Stone! LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 10:15:44 PM 649 Views
Sweetie Darling The Shrike - 05/12/2014 10:16:34 PM 547 Views
Okay. I can agree that we do go on tangents. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 10:23:21 PM 967 Views
Re: "Proportions, man." Nebhead - 05/12/2014 03:34:16 PM 894 Views
So what you have implied here then is that The Shrike - 05/12/2014 04:05:10 PM 693 Views
That's a fair assumption to make *shrug* *NM* Nebhead - 07/12/2014 05:35:59 PM 465 Views
And now you're the one doing exactly what you implied Cannoli was doing. LiterateDog - 05/12/2014 05:17:25 PM 615 Views
Implicit in your posts seems to be the assumption that crime rates and arrest rates are equal Ghavrel - 06/12/2014 09:26:13 AM 771 Views
If you want to keep getting deeper in the weeds..... Anonymous2000 - 06/12/2014 07:28:49 PM 586 Views
I'm not disputing that; I'm saying there's an issue with the overall rates of arrest. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2014 08:29:49 PM 311 Views
the problem with your example is it the execption not the rule random thoughts - 08/12/2014 02:40:14 PM 634 Views
I don't have any proof of that either way. I agree that broken window policing plays a role. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2014 12:25:14 AM 257 Views
They question is it it worth the cost? random thoughts - 09/12/2014 04:40:02 PM 503 Views
...I'm doing no such thing. Nebhead - 07/12/2014 05:27:13 PM 775 Views
L-Dog is right, you are wrong, look at the proportion of crimes committed..... Anonymous2000 - 05/12/2014 06:30:29 PM 685 Views
Erm, no. Nebhead - 07/12/2014 05:34:38 PM 886 Views
Unbelievable. I have no words... *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2014 10:15:32 AM 562 Views
he was not choked to death and he was not choked for selling cigerettes random thoughts - 04/12/2014 02:28:44 PM 645 Views
I mean, "Killed him without intent" is pretty much the definition of manslaughter, isn't it? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/12/2014 04:44:18 PM 379 Views
sorry but it isn't random thoughts - 04/12/2014 05:54:27 PM 608 Views
did you actually watch the video of his death? moondog - 04/12/2014 06:30:26 PM 670 Views
OK watched it all the way. Which one of my conclusions were suppossed to change? random thoughts - 04/12/2014 07:39:07 PM 552 Views
sorry, i mistook you for a human capable of compassion. my mistake moondog - 04/12/2014 07:47:35 PM 578 Views
Don't worry I don't mistaake you for someone capable of rational thought random thoughts - 04/12/2014 10:56:44 PM 577 Views
The guy is dead due to preexisting medical conditions and for resisting arrest. Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 05:11:41 PM 562 Views
watch the video below - the choke hold applied is barred from use by NYPD rules moondog - 04/12/2014 07:43:15 PM 726 Views
The multi-racial grand jury concluded it wasn't a choke hold. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 07:47:31 PM 295 Views
with secret testimony how do you know for sure? they only chose not to indict moondog - 04/12/2014 07:52:04 PM 583 Views
The grand jury had all the facts, much, much, much more than you could imagine. Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 08:00:51 PM 620 Views
the grand jury had all the facts the DA felt they needed to not indict and much much more moondog - 04/12/2014 08:10:26 PM 526 Views
according to you all they needed was the video and if they didn't see that there is a problem *NM* random thoughts - 04/12/2014 10:58:34 PM 344 Views
I find this video much more damning random thoughts - 05/12/2014 05:01:11 AM 778 Views
That's pretty much what a police lieutenant in my hometown said. Cannoli - 05/12/2014 05:42:51 AM 737 Views
where did you get the heart attack from? wikipedia shows it as a homicide, as it should moondog - 04/12/2014 06:32:44 PM 597 Views
Homicide doesn't equal crime, look up the medical/legal definition of the word. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 04/12/2014 07:49:06 PM 285 Views
if only it were possible to get to the facts in a court case to prove one way or the other *NM* moondog - 04/12/2014 07:53:18 PM 338 Views
Even wiki says he died of a heart attack on his way to the hospital random thoughts - 04/12/2014 08:06:00 PM 604 Views
Wikipedia once told me about President McKinley having magical powers & Terry Goodkind being Batman Cannoli - 04/12/2014 11:44:00 PM 632 Views
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