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Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely? Legolas Send a noteboard - 17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM

View original postI know that all the bleeding hearts who have been naively praising what amounts to the suicide of Europe are horrified and attempting to deny reality, but there are a lot of hard realities here for people. First, ISIS actually is using the refugee crisis to its advantage. Second, even among the non-terrorist refugees there is rampant property theft, assault and rape, because most of the people are able-bodied men, not women or children.

Of course they're using the refugee crisis to their advantage. As is just about every other political actor in the Middle East, Europe and the rest of the world. It just so happens that their purposes are a lot nastier than most - and that the world has a bigger interest in countering those purposes. We shouldn't let the Paris attacks affect the handling of the refugee problem - which is not to say you can't be critical of how that is being handled at present. Just do it on its own merits.
View original postNo one's asking Germany to fire up the ovens or anything. Just deport all the economic refugees, and the ones that aren't deported on political grounds can get temporary residence permits that will be revoked as soon as the war is declared over by the EU, with no right to bring relatives. The base line duty of a government is to protect its citizens (not anyone who manages to illegally cross its borders and violate its laws). All the little euphemisms like "migrants" and "refugees" fail to point out that these people are illegal immigrants who have broken laws to cross borders.

In case you hadn't noticed, Germany and the EU are in fact trying to persuade Turkey to keep more Syrian refugees - even at the cost of turning a blind eye to Erdogan's increasingly Putin-like behaviour. But where are they supposed to send the Syrians already here? Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan have too many to deal with as it is, they're not going to take back the ones they managed to get rid of. And while you might argue that those Syrians became "economic refugees" the moment they left Turkey/Lebanon/Jordan for Europe, they are genuine refugees when it comes to returning to Syria.

Agree that it's not desirable for all the refugees to stay for the long term after the war is over - but then, many of them wouldn't want to.

What's also certain is that the pressure on the Gulf States to take in refugees needs to be increased - this is ridiculous. I dare say Saudi Arabia could do with a good number of Syrian immigrants with a somewhat healthier view on religion and a desire to work hard.

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I don't understand you. - 17/11/2015 01:48:02 AM 806 Views
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Yup *NM* - 17/11/2015 05:53:08 PM 514 Views
Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely? - 17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM 872 Views
Back to their home countries - 17/11/2015 10:13:51 PM 747 Views
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