View original postBut despite the heavy efforts to make this an Iraqi problem and thus a Bush problem the group built its number and strength in Syria and moved from there into Iraq. Not surprising many of it's members fought in Iraq but to say ISIS grew out of the unrest in Iraq is nothing more than believing in fairytales because you like the story.
Of course you can keep tracing things back infinitely, but what's clear is that at one point there was Al Qaeda in Iraq, which merged into Islamic State of Iraq, which then became Islamic State of Iraq and Syria only in 2013. Al-Baghdadi, as you can guess from the name, is an Iraqi and led an Iraqi group until 2013. Certainly, he was also indirectly involved in Syria after the outbreak of the civil war in 2011 - but mostly through Jabhat al-Nusra, which as you know is now very much independent from, and hostile to, ISIS after the failed attempt to absorb them in 2013.
If you're talking only about holding territory, then you are partially right as they first held a little territory in Syria in the course of 2013, but before long also in their homeland Iraq.
Obama, a few days ago - ISIS is "contained"
- 14/11/2015 08:22:40 PM
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What does one thing have to do with the other?
- 14/11/2015 09:30:59 PM
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Oh, you poor naive silly man
- 15/11/2015 12:15:48 AM
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I quite agree it was inevitably going to happen. Doesn't stop it from being tasteless and silly. *NM*
- 15/11/2015 01:29:18 AM
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Exactly.
- 16/11/2015 10:01:14 AM
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Buash and Cheney created the mess in the Middle East?Now thats funny *NM*
- 16/11/2015 01:39:32 PM
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What exactly destabilized Iraq?
- 16/11/2015 02:03:19 PM
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Does that mean you support secular dictators?
- 17/11/2015 01:50:52 AM
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Bush signed the withdrawal agreement, not Obama.
- 17/11/2015 05:53:13 PM
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stop reading crazy left wing sources
- 17/11/2015 07:24:49 PM
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The withdrawal and its timeline were part of the 2008 SOFA signed by Bush.
- 17/11/2015 07:36:56 PM
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Just becuase people tell you stupid things does not mean you have to believe them
- 19/11/2015 07:34:25 PM
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Wow! I'm communicating with someone from an alternate reality. *NM*
- 19/11/2015 10:32:56 PM
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Obama pullying troops out early
- 17/11/2015 07:22:10 PM
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How did ISIS start in Syria? Clearly it started in Iraq.
- 17/11/2015 07:50:36 PM
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If you want to take it back far enough it began in fighting Russia in Afghanistan
- 18/11/2015 01:25:06 PM
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I'm not sure how this is even a debate.
- 18/11/2015 08:00:47 PM
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Confirmed - one of the terrorists was a "Syrian Refugee"
- 15/11/2015 01:35:11 AM
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I can't see how you get from A to B
- 16/11/2015 01:42:04 PM
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The fingerprints match the refugee so yes, it's confirmed. The mastermind posed as one, too.
- 17/11/2015 01:45:33 AM
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78% of all Syrian "refugees" are men. Something is up. *NM*
- 17/11/2015 04:03:14 AM
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And sadly, Germany is too emasculated to respond adequately.
- 17/11/2015 03:52:45 PM
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Yup 
*NM*
- 17/11/2015 05:53:08 PM
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*NM*
- 17/11/2015 05:53:08 PM
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Well, when those who want mid-1930s Germany back are disappointed...
- 17/11/2015 10:35:45 PM
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No. You've just gone from a horrific extreme to the pathetic opposite extreme. *NM*
- 20/11/2015 06:08:05 PM
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Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely?
- 17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM
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Back to their home countries
- 17/11/2015 10:13:51 PM
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Right. In that case, yes, they're working on that.
- 17/11/2015 10:55:55 PM
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10% acceptance for Pakistan still sounds high
- 18/11/2015 02:37:29 AM
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No one says it's easy, but the alternatives are so much worse
- 18/11/2015 08:18:47 AM
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Just answer one question
- 20/11/2015 06:05:41 PM
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Trump maintains his lead. A poll today from New Hampshire has him solidly leading.
- 17/11/2015 01:55:00 AM
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Calling all liberal posters - Paris Mastermind boasts about using the refugee crisis
- 17/11/2015 04:30:25 AM
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Again, you're doing a great job for them.
- 17/11/2015 08:17:09 AM
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"Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees"
- 17/11/2015 01:23:54 PM
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Re: "Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees"
- 19/11/2015 11:42:12 PM
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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...."
- 20/11/2015 12:37:55 AM
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It's a fucking statue. It has nothing to do with freedom or anything of the sort.
- 20/11/2015 01:17:57 AM
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For better or worse...
- 21/11/2015 04:56:50 AM
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