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Definitely part of it, yeah. Somewhere along the way people stopped listening. Legolas Send a noteboard - 05/07/2016 11:16:09 PM

View original postHistory will remember saving the banks as an d helping to control the spread of AIDS in Africa as Bush's greatest accomplishment in office but his own party is eating itself because they are angry about the bailout and want to stop foreign aid because we need to spend more money vets (I know the two have nothing to with each other but of course I am a just a puppet of the media). Bernie made a solid run at Hillary promising a generation buried in college debt free college but no where did he suggest we should limit how much colleges can spend and charge he was just going to right them a blank check. Pats on the head and sweet nothings shouted from a podium have replaced real ideas and viable plans for the future. Look at Brexit and the mad man the Philippines elected. Make me question democracy as valid form of government.

I'd have to agree Bernie's plans made almost as little sense as Trump's. Many of his supporters seemed to assume that Europeans would be big fans, but the solutions he proposed often went further than what we have here, repeating mistakes that were learned the hard way in Europe (such as, making something completely free is not a good way to make people appreciate its value - education should be affordable to all, yes, but still require an investment). And that in a country where almost literally nobody in Congress supports anything even remotely resembling Bernie's program.

As for questioning democracy, below Guardian opinion piece is kind of interesting (the author is a Belgian journalist and historian who has been advocating more consultative kinds of democracy, like what he describes in that article).

I don't know that I'd go as far as him, but the one thing that is very clear, is that somewhere along the way, the old ties between politicians and their voters got all tangled, and millions of voters everywhere in the West became convinced that mainstream politicians are all the same and only protest votes make any difference anymore. If the mainstream politicians don't manage to win back the trust of at least most of these voters, I don't know where it will end.

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