republicans are "concerned" with in-person fraud, which pretty much does not exist
moondog Send a noteboard - 09/08/2016 12:21:59 AM
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On the one hand, it seems only common sense that voters prove their identity by some government-certified document before casting their vote. Provided of course that such documents are not unduly hard or expensive to obtain (it would, needless to say, be a lot simpler if you just made those documents universal and compulsory as they are here, but I guess that's not to Americans' taste).
On the one hand, it seems only common sense that voters prove their identity by some government-certified document before casting their vote. Provided of course that such documents are not unduly hard or expensive to obtain (it would, needless to say, be a lot simpler if you just made those documents universal and compulsory as they are here, but I guess that's not to Americans' taste).
in general, you typically have to show a recent utility bill in your name, at the address you are registering to vote from. barring that, it is up to the state you reside in to prove you both are a resident for enough time to be eligible to vote, but also what that proof entails. requiring a mandatory ID would make a lot of things like this go by the wayside, but you are correct that enough Americans believe this to be a government intrusion into their lives that a national ID has never gotten any traction
On the other hand, I've never seen any reports of voter fraud on any significant scale, so I'm not sure where that whole obsession on the Republican side comes from, either. It does seem like Republican voters are, on average, more motivated to vote, creating an obvious incentive for them to add a few hurdles to voting - but many of said hurdles sound eminently reasonable on the face of it, so seems hard to get too wound up about them.
with 30-ish cases of in-person fraud over billions of votes cast, i'd say the current system is doing a decent job of preventing in-person vote fraud. the biggest problem is that in all of the republican-controlled states enacting "reform", the obvious goal is suppression of left-leaning voters in order to consolidate power for republicans. none of the republicans here will ever admit to it, though, because that would cause them to think about how their party is failing everyone, and thinking is difficult for most of them
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federal court determines voter ID based on racism, strikes down laws 
- 03/08/2016 09:00:25 PM
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- 03/08/2016 09:00:25 PM
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Why don't black people have photo ID?
- 03/08/2016 11:05:12 PM
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i know, right? why is it black people can't do the same things whites have done for 400+ years?
- 04/08/2016 12:52:58 AM
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In this case, I'm going with laziness.
- 04/08/2016 11:46:24 PM
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that reply was more incoherent than usual, are you feeling ok?
- 05/08/2016 07:45:02 PM
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Re: that reply was more incoherent than usual, are you feeling ok?
- 06/08/2016 05:13:31 PM
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Re: that reply was more incoherent than usual, are you feeling ok? *NM*
- 09/08/2016 10:30:16 PM
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You really don't know why a college ID is less valid than a state issued gun permit?
- 07/08/2016 08:56:19 PM
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ah, it's the old "just because" defense. a favorite of 5-year olds everywhere....
- 09/08/2016 12:27:17 AM
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Every time I think I've read the stupidest thing ever, you lift your game to a whole new height... *NM*
- 09/08/2016 02:14:10 PM
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ThE pimply faced mid who gave me my school ID only ask to a schedule. *NM*
- 09/08/2016 06:35:19 PM
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*NM*
Solution - give all citizens without driver licenses voter ID cards and reinstate the law.
- 04/08/2016 04:22:51 AM
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Sadly, Democrats don't like that solution, either.
- 04/08/2016 03:02:06 PM
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actually free IDs would be fine if they were done without regard to race too
- 05/08/2016 07:33:25 PM
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When you make it almost impossible to check for voter fraud the who "no proven cases" falls apart *NM*
- 07/08/2016 08:59:42 PM
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Part of the NC law made state issue ID cards free to anyone of legal age and status.
- 04/08/2016 05:56:27 PM
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pure political ruling?? discrimination by race is unconstitutional. period. *NM*
- 05/08/2016 07:51:31 PM
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Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that you have no idea what descrimination actually means *NM*
- 08/08/2016 12:08:20 PM
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writing a law specifically targeting a minority race is literally the definition of discrimination.
- 09/08/2016 12:30:36 AM
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Writing a law that effects EVERY race is the textbook defenition of not discrimination. *NM*
- 09/08/2016 02:16:38 PM
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show me on the doll where every race was discriminated against *NM*
- 09/08/2016 10:31:24 PM
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Right after you "show me on your doll" where ANY race was discriminated against. *NM*
- 16/08/2016 04:33:37 PM
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I didn't know Wisconsin was one of the states singled out in Voting RIghts Act
- 07/08/2016 08:50:31 PM
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I've never really understood this whole controversy - perhaps some people can enlighten me.
- 07/08/2016 09:57:43 PM
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Why voter fraud is so rarely caught in the US, but has become an issue.
- 08/08/2016 12:29:14 PM
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republicans are "concerned" with in-person fraud, which pretty much does not exist
- 09/08/2016 12:21:59 AM
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- 16/08/2016 04:44:34 PM
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