I am not arguing that we should not be investing in clean, renewable energy to remove our dependence on fossil fuels. I am not arguing against increasing, incrementally, fuel efficiency standards.
The problem with most of the proposals that have been made in the name of "fighting global warming" are proposals that PENALIZE most people for using hydrocarbons at a time when the renewable, clean energy is still not available for most. "Cap and trade" and forcing businesses to be "carbon neutral" by buying some fictitious credits simply increases the cost of everything without showing how it is going to lead to affordable renewable energy.
How can a company be "carbon neutral" if it has an on-site power plant and it's making, let's say, $10 million a year in revenue before taxes? We're going to make the company build a solar generator for about $200 million? That's prohibitively expensive and, oh, by the way, that situation is fairly common and NOT hypothetical, and those numbers are actual numbers.
"Cap and trade" for a company of that size is going to therefore simply mean an increased cost of doing business in America. The company can either lay people off or outsource to a less expensive nation like Indonesia or China. For a company of 200-300 employees, that's going to mean most likely about 1000 people depending on the facility when families are added in are going to lose their source of sustenance.
Try telling the tens of thousands of American workers and their families who will be out of a job in an already steep recession that it's better to "pay up front" for a global warming issue that may, just MAY, be radically overstated.
The problem with most of the proposals that have been made in the name of "fighting global warming" are proposals that PENALIZE most people for using hydrocarbons at a time when the renewable, clean energy is still not available for most. "Cap and trade" and forcing businesses to be "carbon neutral" by buying some fictitious credits simply increases the cost of everything without showing how it is going to lead to affordable renewable energy.
How can a company be "carbon neutral" if it has an on-site power plant and it's making, let's say, $10 million a year in revenue before taxes? We're going to make the company build a solar generator for about $200 million? That's prohibitively expensive and, oh, by the way, that situation is fairly common and NOT hypothetical, and those numbers are actual numbers.
"Cap and trade" for a company of that size is going to therefore simply mean an increased cost of doing business in America. The company can either lay people off or outsource to a less expensive nation like Indonesia or China. For a company of 200-300 employees, that's going to mean most likely about 1000 people depending on the facility when families are added in are going to lose their source of sustenance.
Try telling the tens of thousands of American workers and their families who will be out of a job in an already steep recession that it's better to "pay up front" for a global warming issue that may, just MAY, be radically overstated.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
This message last edited by Tom on 14/10/2009 at 05:27:20 PM
Oh...by the way...we may have been wrong about that whole "Global Warming" thing
14/10/2009 03:23:53 PM
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This was posted on 10.10.09 by Trzkaska2000. 138 views. 15 replies.
14/10/2009 03:32:52 PM
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Your point being...? *NM*
14/10/2009 03:53:56 PM
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That your post is repetitive.
14/10/2009 05:33:05 PM
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No. I think my post is rather better. It has my priceless comments around the article.
14/10/2009 06:56:41 PM
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Your post is neither better nor worse. Same thing but reposted.
14/10/2009 08:23:55 PM
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They replied to someone else's post and viewpoint and insight.
14/10/2009 09:06:32 PM
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From your viewpoint. Not from mine. *NM*
14/10/2009 09:57:01 PM
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Perhaps. Either way, though, I'm egotistical enough not to care that it was posted elsewhere before *NM*
15/10/2009 03:45:14 AM
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In fairness, I only replied after you pointed towards that other thread in here.
14/10/2009 10:08:53 PM
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Within a decade, the North Pole will be ice-free during the summer
14/10/2009 03:35:31 PM
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That's strange, considering it melted less this summer than usual.
14/10/2009 03:55:28 PM
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I'm sorry but you are wrong. It is the third greatest melt on record.
14/10/2009 05:38:02 PM
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Who called it? *Double thumbs* This guy. This guy called it. *NM*
14/10/2009 04:13:43 PM
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Re: Oh...by the way...we may have been wrong about that whole "Global Warming" thing
14/10/2009 04:36:57 PM
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I registered it as a bug
14/10/2009 04:40:20 PM
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Possible Consequences of taking global warming seriously...
14/10/2009 04:37:32 PM
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Increased cost for everyone
14/10/2009 04:42:07 PM
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Increased costs?
14/10/2009 05:11:11 PM
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You misunderstand my position.
14/10/2009 05:23:29 PM
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greed
14/10/2009 06:45:35 PM
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That's not how things work.
14/10/2009 06:50:27 PM
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Then lets change the way things work. Not as if capitalism is required by the US constition.
15/10/2009 07:04:51 PM
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You are really dense if you believe that
14/10/2009 06:59:43 PM
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capitalists are the dense ones if they believe that it is even a somewhat good system
15/10/2009 07:11:47 PM
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Tell that to the unwashed idiots who believe you and ruin the world with another revolution. *NM*
16/10/2009 05:59:01 PM
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Capitalism is one of the great inventions of the West - and so is socialism.
16/10/2009 06:13:12 PM
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Welcome to Communism!
14/10/2009 09:45:02 PM
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communism is a system of government. SOCIALISM is an economic system
15/10/2009 07:01:16 PM
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The word communism can mean either political system or economic system or both.
15/10/2009 07:25:59 PM
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Cap and trade is an attempt to use the power of the free market - you'd think you'd appreciate that.
14/10/2009 10:24:46 PM
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Cap and trade is something only big companies can really afford
15/10/2009 03:52:52 AM
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"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and I declare him my enemy."
15/10/2009 04:20:21 AM
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Other Possible Consequences of taking global warming seriously...
14/10/2009 06:33:38 PM
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+1
14/10/2009 06:46:11 PM
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So you decided to ignore my response?
14/10/2009 07:02:01 PM
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No, I just think it's gonna pay off in the long run
14/10/2009 07:21:04 PM
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+ 1 I agree with you completely in here.
14/10/2009 08:19:45 PM
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So, I guess you are now a Catholic?
14/10/2009 09:49:21 PM
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I hope you're not suggesting the Global Warming is only a rallying cry for the Right?
14/10/2009 09:48:22 PM
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No worries, it's worth a second post!!! AGW is total BS.....
14/10/2009 09:39:20 PM
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I probably would have just responded if I had seen that you had posted
15/10/2009 03:54:29 AM
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I love how even when people factor in cosmic rays the naysayers reject findings they dislike.
15/10/2009 05:07:31 AM
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Well, it's good to see that some folks still actually follow science rather than politics
16/10/2009 05:04:17 PM
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