See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM*
Brian Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM
How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages?
For pete sake, employment non discrimination failed by 1 vote (in the senate) in 1996, this vote occurred on the SAME FRICKIN DAY, that the senate passed the Defense of Marriage ACT 85-14. This occurred 13 years ago.
I repeat 13 years ago.
Yet Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA) has not even been touched this year, when the democrats rule both house, senate, and president.
On the SAME FRICKIN DAY, that the senate passed DOMA, ENDA lost by 1 vote. Only 59 minutes, after the senate passed DOMA, the didn't approve ENDA by 1 vote, less than 1 FRICKIN HOUR. No other issues were discussed, they discussed DOMA voted on it, and then less than an hour later of debate then hold the vote for ENDA.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00280
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00281
For pete sake, employment non discrimination failed by 1 vote (in the senate) in 1996, this vote occurred on the SAME FRICKIN DAY, that the senate passed the Defense of Marriage ACT 85-14. This occurred 13 years ago.
I repeat 13 years ago.
Yet Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA) has not even been touched this year, when the democrats rule both house, senate, and president.
On the SAME FRICKIN DAY, that the senate passed DOMA, ENDA lost by 1 vote. Only 59 minutes, after the senate passed DOMA, the didn't approve ENDA by 1 vote, less than 1 FRICKIN HOUR. No other issues were discussed, they discussed DOMA voted on it, and then less than an hour later of debate then hold the vote for ENDA.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00280
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00281
Matthew Shepard act passed
23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM
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Meh
23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM
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I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities.
24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM
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Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell?
24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM
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How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages?
24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM
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See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM*
24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM
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Agreed, but
24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM
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I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM
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I'm sure the law is not supposed to deter crime, but rather to ensure justice.
24/10/2009 03:49:58 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 04:07:52 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 04:51:43 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 05:02:27 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM
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So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy?
24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM
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Doesn't there have to be an indication ...
24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM
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Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone.
24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM
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All orientations are protected.
24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM
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yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men?
24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM
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Minor point.
24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM
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well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too?
25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM
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