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Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. beckstcw Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM
If I overreacted and beat up another straight guy for hitting on my sister, that's more acceptable than if I overreacted and beat up a gay guy for hitting on my brother?

Seems like I as a straight person am being discriminated against, being told that my well-being is worth less. Same goes for all hate-crime legislation.


... that you did it because he was gay? If you beat him up just because he was hitting on your brother and you're overprotective, but you don't actually care if he's gay or not, then that shouldn't be a hate crime. But if it is done because you hate his sexual orientation, then it is a hate crime.

In the same way, if you beat up the straight guy because he was straight, and you hate straight guys, that's also a hate crime, since you hate his sexual orientation (ie. heterosexual).

I don't know if this is actually how it's enforced, but that's what makes sense to me.
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Matthew Shepard act passed Dominic - 23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM 864 Views
Meh Brian - 23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM 479 Views
Federal punishment is usually harsher then state law Ryan - 23/10/2009 09:27:49 PM 470 Views
I honestly don't care that federal law is more harsh Brian - 24/10/2009 01:04:16 AM 461 Views
68-29, eh? Party line division? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 23/10/2009 08:25:07 PM 174 Views
More or less Isaac - 23/10/2009 08:35:10 PM 471 Views
All hate crime legislation is stupid..... trzaska2000 - 23/10/2009 10:15:02 PM 479 Views
I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities. LiterateDog - 24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM 487 Views
Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell? Burr - 24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM 472 Views
Not sure I agree there Isaac - 24/10/2009 02:29:13 PM 457 Views
How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages? Roland00 - 24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM 478 Views
See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM* Brian - 24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM 171 Views
Agreed, but Roland00 - 24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM 449 Views
I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM 454 Views
I'm sure the law is not supposed to deter crime, but rather to ensure justice. Burr - 24/10/2009 03:49:58 AM 395 Views
Which is one of the failures of the American Justice system Brian - 24/10/2009 04:53:33 AM 427 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Roland00 - 24/10/2009 04:07:52 AM 496 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 04:51:43 AM 466 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Roland00 - 24/10/2009 05:02:27 AM 445 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM 433 Views
So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy? beckstcw - 24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM 551 Views
Doesn't there have to be an indication ... Nate - 24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM 437 Views
Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. beckstcw - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM 427 Views
It does matter to what you were saying, though. Nate - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM 502 Views
One factor in this I don't like though Isaac - 24/10/2009 01:54:53 PM 449 Views
Correct Roland00 - 24/10/2009 04:55:43 AM 445 Views
All orientations are protected. yew - 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM 441 Views
Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal? beckstcw - 24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM 433 Views
As per my reply to you above: Nate - 24/10/2009 06:42:24 AM 448 Views
I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws. yew - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM 444 Views
yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men? random thoughts - 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM 419 Views
Couldn't say, Ray. yew - 25/10/2009 04:43:12 AM 594 Views
I don't support that anymore then I support hate crime laws. random thoughts - 25/10/2009 02:33:27 PM 462 Views
they need to throw out all of the thought crime laws *NM* random thoughts - 24/10/2009 02:04:30 PM 159 Views
Minor point. Palatine - 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM 473 Views
Yeah I saw that and kind of scoffed as well Brian - 24/10/2009 07:57:23 PM 459 Views
well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too? random thoughts - 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM 454 Views
That's my main objection, yes. Legolas - 25/10/2009 10:50:49 PM 448 Views
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