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That's still a bad benchmark Isaac Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 10:00:23 AM
I'd be curious to see the statistics regarding attacks on US troops vs. attacks on civilians. I suspect civilians would be higher, but not by much.


Depends on whose figures you go with, there's no legitimate way to really determine, but the coalition keeps a count of everyone who died directly from an attack. Loosely speaking, around a hundred thousand, almost all from terrorist attacks. That's why most of us don't mind calling all the attackers there terrorists, when your kill ration is about 30 of your own citizens for every 'foriegn opressor' you're pretty far beyond claiming legitimate collateral damage.

Attacks on US troops by terrorists are still acts of terrorism. I agree that targteing an occuying force, even in a fashion which may result in occassional civilian deaths, falls under 'freedom fighter' but the fact that most attacks, especially recently, have been against their own citizens or police with no US troops nearby puts the lie to that. You also have to have some moral justification when claiming freedom fighters. Saddam Hussein and his regime were not one lick better than the Nazis, US occupation has been anything but draconian. Carry the freedom fighter analogy to far and people can justify attack US troops in Haiti. The occupation force spent most of it's time doing patrols and assisting locals. As justifications for violent resistance go, 'let's go blow up a bunch of our guys in the hope we might kill a few of the half-dozen heavily armored soldiers who are delivering food, water, medicine and equipment to our own people' is somewhere down there with cutting peoples tongues out to keep them from using foul language. The reason is highly questionable to begin with and certainly doens't justify the means, so I would say it's perfectly acceptable to justify all attacks in Iraq as terrorist, and certainly any where civilians were present.
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All Terrorists are Muslims… except the 94% that aren’t. - 01/02/2010 10:42:12 PM 2039 Views
I find that unsurprising. - 01/02/2010 11:31:43 PM 688 Views
Lot of BS in there - 01/02/2010 11:33:08 PM 803 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with this. - 01/02/2010 11:46:02 PM 739 Views
Well, no. Robbery accounts for a very small percentage of those attacks. Look at the chart. - 01/02/2010 11:50:39 PM 706 Views
I found the so-called Islamophobic reply... allow me to quote it in its entirety. - 01/02/2010 11:52:37 PM 725 Views
It's a valid complaint. *NM* - 02/02/2010 01:49:08 AM 290 Views
Whose complaint is valid? - 02/02/2010 01:55:58 AM 690 Views
Yours. *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:15:01 AM 309 Views
I did note the rampant bias. - 01/02/2010 11:48:55 PM 821 Views
What about attacks on Iraqi police volunteers? - 01/02/2010 11:53:58 PM 706 Views
it only included attacks on American soil *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:03:16 PM 318 Views
Most of the Iraq violence isn't against the foreign occupier... - 01/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 742 Views
Ahem... /\ /\ /\ - 01/02/2010 11:56:34 PM 750 Views
Dude, 46 seconds. I was typing it while you posted. *NM* - 02/02/2010 12:05:44 AM 296 Views
True, but I was referring to attacks on US soldiers. - 02/02/2010 01:47:55 AM 702 Views
That's still a bad benchmark - 02/02/2010 10:00:23 AM 814 Views
You would be very wrong - 02/02/2010 02:11:08 PM 758 Views
Um, since when is all Mid-East terrorism against foreign occupiers? - 02/02/2010 12:33:13 AM 879 Views
I would agree with this. - 02/02/2010 02:33:47 AM 798 Views
It was bound to happen sooner or later. - 02/02/2010 04:10:13 AM 837 Views
This is the only problem I have with "definitions" - 02/02/2010 04:51:00 AM 714 Views
You're conflating two types of fighters who shouldn't be, I believe. - 03/02/2010 06:16:21 AM 707 Views
I think you missed the point. - 05/02/2010 05:15:40 AM 706 Views
One of us did. - 05/02/2010 08:26:07 AM 889 Views
I'm not talking ETHICALLY or MORALLY - 14/02/2010 06:41:32 PM 713 Views
I was, or at least speaking legally. - 15/02/2010 06:54:50 AM 760 Views
Churchill's justification of bombings cited civilians as the targets, IIRC - 03/02/2010 12:46:16 AM 944 Views
I did say, "deliberately, " and for a reason. - 03/02/2010 04:23:44 AM 856 Views
Re: I did say, "deliberately, " and for a reason. - 05/02/2010 02:22:10 AM 1049 Views
Re: I did say, "deliberately, " and for a reason. - 15/02/2010 09:46:48 AM 888 Views
Lame. - 01/02/2010 11:55:50 PM 650 Views
Demographics are the key, methinks. - 02/02/2010 12:20:46 AM 816 Views
WTF? Are these people serious? - 02/02/2010 02:19:05 AM 727 Views
Ah, good. I've driven you out of lurking. Now recommend me operas. *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:41:30 AM 299 Views
Huh? *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:03:24 PM 310 Views
I made a survey on musicals and operas on the board! - 02/02/2010 05:15:45 PM 660 Views
I agree with tom - 02/02/2010 02:54:53 AM 722 Views
So what? - 02/02/2010 02:23:42 AM 760 Views
Waco were terrorist? Do they just make this crap up? *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:00:40 PM 496 Views
leftist dhimmi allies... rofl - 04/02/2010 04:56:48 AM 714 Views

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