Obama will be hard pressed to rack up $6 trillion in eight years (also with (unvetted) link. )
Joel Send a noteboard - 24/02/2010 06:42:00 AM
Do you actual remember the Clinton presidency? They had to shut the government to force him into making the cuts he now takes credit for. They had to send the welfare reform bill to him three times before he signed.
Of course Obama and Pelosi are on track to make them all look like hardcore fiscal conservatives. Yes yes I know Bush made them do it.
Of course Obama and Pelosi are on track to make them all look like hardcore fiscal conservatives. Yes yes I know Bush made them do it.
Maybe if he starts a couple wars while cutting taxes he can do as "well" as Bush though. Yeah, I remember the Clinton Presidency TOO well, right down to the part where Gore had to break the tie to pass the '93 budget despite Democrats "controlling" Congress. And the sad thing is Clinton was really just the "lightest" of the party that's been reduced to "Republican light" whatever the rhetoric. If he hadn't wanted that reform bill he could've refused to sign it indefinitely (it's another example of how Republicans "reform" programs the way vets "treat" horses with broken legs. ) He never should've caved when they shut the government down, because THEY (not he) shut it down, and he should've made them justify why people weren't getting their Social Security checks. Instead he took the lumps for it AND caved to Republican pressure. It wasn't the first time the government shut down though, it's just the one you prefer to remember:
In October 1990, when Democrats in Congress sought to reduce the federal deficit by implementing a surtax on the income of millionaires, Republican President GEORGE H. W. BUSH followed through on a threat to VETO any budget legislation that included tax increases. The veto effectively shut down several federal agencies. The closures lasted only three days and occurred on a weekend. Fearing negative fallout from a more extensive government shutdown, Congress and the president reached a compromise plan to reduce the federal deficit without the surtax.
I remember that one, too; it was around the time my HS government teacher spoke of "the darkest day in Texas history" (the election of Governor Richards, whom W, ever classy, would later defeat by calling her a drug addicted closet lesbian packing state offices with homosexuals. )
Major differences in political ideologies again surfaced in the fall of 1994, when control of Congress shifted from Democrats to Republicans. The new Congress set a goal of balancing the federal budget by the year 2002, a feat that had not occurred since 1969.
Republicans, buoyed by public sentiment favoring this goal, attempted to implement their balanced budget plan in the fall of 1995. But they faced opposition from many Democrats, among them President BILL CLINTON. Although agreeing with the necessity of a balanced budget, Clinton opposed proposed cuts to entitlement programs such as MEDICARE, MEDICAID, and WELFARE. The dispute divided the branches of government as well as political parties, and in November 1995, an impasse led to the expiration of federal funding. Without adequate funding, much of the federal government—including agencies, museums, national parks, and research laboratories— ground to a halt. Some 800,000 government employees deemed "nonessential" were sent home.
Politicians on both sides of the issue faced disapproval from their constituents. Compromises were reached, and a week after it started, the shutdown was over.
So, yeah, the government was shut down twice over the budget: Once because Bush 41 thought protecting millionaires was more important than Democratic efforts to balance the budget, and again because Clinton thought not starving gramma was more important than balancing the budget. Or, conversely, that budget concerns from their Congressional opposition felt the other way each time. Seems like it always comes back to that; both sides want a balanced budget, but one of them wants the money to come from the independently wealthy and the other wants to just stop feeding people in poverty.
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This message last edited by Joel on 24/02/2010 at 06:48:08 AM
The GOP's "small government" tea party fraud
- 23/02/2010 06:16:15 PM
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Yep, this is true
- 23/02/2010 09:09:18 PM
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Why...?
- 24/02/2010 12:04:20 AM
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republicans did grow government
- 24/02/2010 05:39:15 AM
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Largest government and debt expansion in US history (with link. )
- 24/02/2010 06:11:31 AM
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until Obama showed up that is
- 24/02/2010 06:20:35 AM
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Obama will be hard pressed to rack up $6 trillion in eight years (also with (unvetted) link. )
- 24/02/2010 06:42:00 AM
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i'm by no means a dem, but who balanced the federal budget under clinton?
- 24/02/2010 06:39:17 AM
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Nice hint to bad bad your wrong
- 24/02/2010 05:55:03 PM
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government shut down in 1995; federal budget balanced by 1998 -- who's wrong here?
- 25/02/2010 01:56:30 AM
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did you major in revisionist history?
- 25/02/2010 07:22:06 PM
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you're a right wing nut job because....
- 26/02/2010 04:02:34 AM
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Being strongly partisan is not the same as holding far-right/far-left views.
- 28/02/2010 11:20:42 PM
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Here, Judge Napolitano agrees with you, about Goldwater Conservatism
- 23/02/2010 09:15:57 PM
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A good try, but the intended audience isn't listening.
- 24/02/2010 12:02:32 AM
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No I am sure lots of liberals read Slate
- 24/02/2010 05:47:13 AM
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Didn't sound to me like he was speaking to liberals.
- 24/02/2010 06:03:54 AM
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red meat works best when the target audience doesn't realize it is red meat
- 24/02/2010 06:17:12 AM
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Yet it's my conservative friends I see posting links to Palin appearances at tea rallies.
- 24/02/2010 06:25:22 AM
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