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Re: Uh. MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 07:03:14 PM
At worst, I'd say the commercial is a little crude (calling music black or white instead of soulful/contemporary or classic), but Dutch people probably have a crude exposure to diversity.


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I just went back and read my post and I can see how that last statement might be offensive. I only meant that there is probably a lot less diversity in the Dutch community (where black people are concerned, at least) than in America. I don't have the stats at hand, but I'm pretty sure America is a lot more racially sensitive (due to our history and high minority populations) than a lot of european nations. Take a look at the Spanish National basketball team's photoshoot for the '08 Olympics in Beijing.

What I was trying to say in the post was that calling something "black" isn't racially hateful, i.e. racist. It might be insensitive though to some people who don't want to be characterized by their race, but unless there's hate or degradation behind it, it's not racist.

I think a lot of great jazz artists who aren't black, would say the add is crude and stupid, but the fact remains african-american people largely created jazz/soulful music.

Again, I hearken to my table example. I made a table so it's ok if you call it Alex's table, but I wouldn't appreciate it if you called it Alex's table and made it synonymous with something stupid or defective.

Maybe dutch people have a strong association with soulful r and b or jazz music and black people, I'm not sure. But if that's the case, then I don't see it is racist at all. Asians are often depicted as martial artists even though there are many non-asian martial artists. This isn't racist at all, though it may be racially insensitive in some cases.
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Is it racist?: Commercial for Jazz/Soul radio - 22/03/2010 01:47:45 PM 2785 Views
I'd say that's pretty racist. - 22/03/2010 01:53:59 PM 752 Views
I don't think it's racist at all - 22/03/2010 07:15:55 PM 793 Views
Uh. - 22/03/2010 09:36:35 PM 886 Views
Re: Uh. - 29/03/2010 07:03:14 PM 824 Views
I'm not Dutch, but that was a pretty ignornant claim - 29/03/2010 07:20:09 PM 754 Views
Re: I'm not Dutch, but that was a pretty ignornant claim - 29/03/2010 07:28:34 PM 850 Views
Not "higher" nor "lower," but "different" would be the word to use here - 29/03/2010 07:46:15 PM 689 Views
Re: Not "higher" nor "lower," but "different" would be the word to use here - 29/03/2010 07:53:56 PM 646 Views
An illustration of Larry's point... - 29/03/2010 08:14:55 PM 715 Views
This. ~points at Larry's post~ *NM* - 29/03/2010 07:42:35 PM 426 Views
Re: This. ~points at Larry's post~ - 29/03/2010 07:57:30 PM 735 Views
Um. - 29/03/2010 08:00:54 PM 885 Views
Re: Um. - 29/03/2010 08:44:31 PM 673 Views
My question for you was on that one line that Larry responded to. - 29/03/2010 08:46:26 PM 705 Views
I was thinking the same thing as Rebekah - 23/03/2010 07:15:51 AM 747 Views
I don't see it - 22/03/2010 08:19:31 PM 741 Views
+1 *NM* - 22/03/2010 08:30:01 PM 414 Views
Re: +2 *NM* - 22/03/2010 09:53:43 PM 413 Views
Re: +3 *NM* - 22/03/2010 10:00:55 PM 391 Views
i'd say the actions in the commercial are more racist than the words - 22/03/2010 10:00:02 PM 731 Views
It would not float here in the US - 22/03/2010 10:07:08 PM 744 Views
Agreed. - 23/03/2010 05:36:14 AM 897 Views
Could you please expand on one point in your reasoning? - 23/03/2010 07:20:31 AM 740 Views
It's not race specific music if it's enjoyed/performed/presented by various races. - 23/03/2010 07:32:33 AM 982 Views
MOBO - 23/03/2010 10:20:22 AM 694 Views
Nice term, if a bit clumsy - 23/03/2010 11:10:34 AM 699 Views
The trouble lies in historical neuroses cooked in our melting pot, I think. - 23/03/2010 11:29:06 AM 741 Views
I suspect so as well - 23/03/2010 12:32:00 PM 836 Views
Well, the thing is, "American" is PURELY a culture, not a race. - 23/03/2010 01:55:59 PM 952 Views
That's part of what I was thinking - 23/03/2010 07:50:19 AM 1067 Views
Only if it's racist to mention the fact that different races exist. Which seems to be the US view. - 23/03/2010 09:24:23 AM 731 Views
Agreed - 23/03/2010 10:21:59 AM 763 Views
Not at all, the problem is when people seem to say something is exclusive to a given race. - 23/03/2010 11:51:06 AM 980 Views
I agree with some of what you say, but I think you're assuming more than is warranted. - 23/03/2010 02:33:34 PM 696 Views
perhaps not as default... - 23/03/2010 03:08:19 PM 768 Views
The term encompasses listeners, performers and presenters. - 23/03/2010 04:42:55 PM 789 Views
So it's really not about skin color any more, right? - 23/03/2010 09:12:20 PM 823 Views
it's racist and unacceptable. - 23/03/2010 09:07:10 PM 861 Views

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