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ME1 wasn't even going to release on the PC initially, so I think we could be worse off. Zalis Send a noteboard - 22/01/2011 03:27:05 PM
And that's fine; I agree that ME2 was more fun to kill things in than ME1, mostly (global cooldowns sucked). But the story was just... so... meh. I enjoyed it a great deal, but Super Terminator dude had me actually laughing. Sovereign, on the other hand, gave me chills.


Sovereign was a much better villain. There's no doubt there. Most of the gameplay mechanics Bioware trimmed in ME2 were things they were new at in ME, having only made more traditional RPGs in the past.

It's the Morrowind/Oblivion debate all over again, really. My personal preferences tend to lean more toward tons of options and a rich story, instead of the more streamlined things of recent years (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 2). I know it's not entirely the consoles' fault, but the "simplify everything" mindset that accompanies them is making some of my favorite series less fun.


I just don't think we can blame ME2's story changes on the consoles when it was originally going to be an Xbox exclusive series anyway. It's middle child trilogy syndrome and the story had a much different structure. (buildup for one op with small stories everywhere, rather than a longer series of unraveling a mystery plot) The exploration is something I missed, with each planet's content being cut in half and being more mission-oriented, but that's about it. Aside from ME2 being a different part of the overall story arc, I preferred it in nearly way. It may not have been as good of a story, but it was better at telling the story it told. (at the risk of sounding redundant)

Fallout 3's dumbing-down had just as much to do with Bethesda taking the series as it did with consoles. The previous Fallout games weren't sandbox titles, and that's pretty much all Bethesda can make. (despite Morrowind being brilliant)

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I don't mean to be saying you're wrong here. We agree on some of this, and have a habit of replying even when it's not necessarily a rebuttal.
The sword might be grateful to the forge fire, but never fond of it.
This message last edited by Zalis on 22/01/2011 at 11:02:53 PM
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I need a good RPG. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 06:49:32 PM 2951 Views
The Witcher Zalis - 13/01/2011 07:13:50 PM 1807 Views
I have the Witcher waiting at home for me to install next week Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:59:45 PM 1594 Views
Hm. I have it as a project to improve my French, but I found the gameplay pretty boring. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:38:15 AM 1721 Views
If you find The Witcher boring, you'll likely feel the same about Baldur's Gate 2, IWD, etc. Zalis - 14/01/2011 03:07:12 PM 1691 Views
All right. I'll give it a shot, then. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:17:17 PM 970 Views
Make sure you get the enhanced edition, or whatever it's called. Aemon - 14/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 1732 Views
It's funny, that, because it's based on a critically acclaimed book series. Legolas - 15/01/2011 01:13:39 PM 1716 Views
I've heard that, yeah. I just don't think enough of it made it into the game. (minor spoilers) Aemon - 15/01/2011 08:12:34 PM 1671 Views
The thing is, what works in a book doesn't necessarily work in a game. lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 06:15:10 PM 1744 Views
Wow, I guess you touched a nerve, Legolas. New pet peeve discovered! *NM* lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 06:22:37 PM 971 Views
I don't have time to do this justice, but I'll make a brief comment. Aemon - 18/01/2011 09:30:20 PM 1708 Views
Did you read his post? lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 09:59:21 PM 1692 Views
Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't have time to respond to. Aemon - 18/01/2011 10:31:46 PM 1673 Views
Re: Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't have time to respond to. lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 10:43:20 PM 1752 Views
So I just realized I sparked a bit of a controversy here... I should check this board more often. Legolas - 25/01/2011 10:28:34 PM 1604 Views
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn? Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2011 08:00:21 PM 1634 Views
Try Divinity 2: Dragonknight Saga. Dan - 13/01/2011 10:38:45 PM 1874 Views
Do yourself a favor... A Deathwatch Guard - 13/01/2011 10:39:41 PM 1664 Views
Everything is the opposite of Morrowind, though. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:37:42 AM 1804 Views
Just go ahead and shoot yourself now A Deathwatch Guard - 14/01/2011 07:51:06 PM 1666 Views
...you were so right. Fable is an MMORPG without the other people. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 06:35:46 AM 1693 Views
...dislikes...Fallout...3....*dies* *NM* ironclad - 13/01/2011 11:34:10 PM 950 Views
It was boring. Really, really boring. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:36:41 AM 1743 Views
I'm with you, brother! beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 05:51:41 AM 1714 Views
awwww...I loved Fallout 3 Fox and Ravens - 14/01/2011 03:37:51 PM 1618 Views
No... Jacob - 14/01/2011 03:47:22 PM 1854 Views
It's minecraft with guns. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:16:23 PM 953 Views
And without a destructible environment. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:16:52 PM 1633 Views
Yet... Jacob - 15/01/2011 01:27:28 AM 1636 Views
I enjoyed its gameplay more than Fallout. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 01:40:06 AM 1716 Views
The best story I've ever seen... A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2011 05:01:47 AM 1692 Views
I never got to finish Xenogears... beetnemesis - 15/01/2011 09:37:36 AM 1730 Views
I never got to finish Xenogears... beetnemesis - 15/01/2011 09:37:36 AM 1547 Views
"It's minecraft with guns." Ouch. Come on. Fallout3 was better than that. *NM* ianski - 19/01/2011 04:09:30 AM 938 Views
Coming from me, actually, that's higher praise than it deserves. Ghavrel - 19/01/2011 06:54:57 AM 1687 Views
I got it for like $25, I'd say that's about what Fallout 3 is worth beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 05:09:34 PM 1813 Views
You got Fallout 3 or New Vegas for $25 Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:12:26 PM 1632 Views
Fallout 3. Haven't played New Vegas. *NM* beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 07:41:24 PM 936 Views
Jacob - 19/01/2011 09:01:18 PM 1690 Views
Wait. You haven't played it yet? ianski - 20/01/2011 03:46:17 AM 1709 Views
Well said ironclad - 20/01/2011 08:43:25 AM 1618 Views
Fallout 3 is more about the little stories than the big one... Jacob - 20/01/2011 01:55:24 PM 1742 Views
Precisely. *NM* ironclad - 20/01/2011 07:48:21 PM 933 Views
Both games are great. Jacob - 20/01/2011 01:56:14 PM 1657 Views
Played Fallout 3, but not NV. Ghavrel - 20/01/2011 06:22:33 PM 1605 Views
I'm sure I'll be trying that new ianski - 21/01/2011 02:04:47 PM 1769 Views
Don't play Mass Effect 2 without playing Mass Effect 1. It's a much worse game. Ghavrel - 21/01/2011 06:43:16 PM 1716 Views
Yes, play ME1 first... but opinions vary about ME2. It did the most important things better, IMO. Zalis - 21/01/2011 11:57:26 PM 1751 Views
PC gaming is drying up. ianski - 22/01/2011 01:29:09 AM 1646 Views
That's true if gameplay is more important to you than story. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 06:50:32 AM 1732 Views
ME1 wasn't even going to release on the PC initially, so I think we could be worse off. Zalis - 22/01/2011 03:27:05 PM 1558 Views
Fallout 3 was a post apocalyptic Oblivion. MightyYT - 14/01/2011 08:02:28 AM 1744 Views
If you want a GREAT story, I would go for... MightyYT - 14/01/2011 08:04:15 AM 1758 Views
I second the idea of Borderlands if you like loot-generating/diabloesque RPGs w/ others. Zalis - 14/01/2011 03:09:29 PM 1674 Views
Played it. It was good. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:15:38 PM 953 Views
the baldur's gate trilogy and the icewind dales *NM* Foxhead - 14/01/2011 09:32:32 AM 889 Views
Icewind Dale has no story. Fanatic-Templar - 14/01/2011 07:19:15 PM 1661 Views
I'm surprised you liked Oblivion. Dan - 15/01/2011 12:47:24 AM 1751 Views
I liked Oblivion because it was the sequel to Morrowind. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 01:31:51 AM 1569 Views
Do you know about "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"? It will be released Nov 2011 *NM* Roland00 - 15/01/2011 04:52:13 AM 903 Views
The trailer to that is so awesome A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2011 04:58:04 AM 1612 Views
It is a good teaser... Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:21:15 PM 1677 Views
I do. But after Oblivion, I refuse to buy into hype. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 06:34:49 AM 1663 Views
Final Fantasy 8. Nebhead - 18/01/2011 09:10:51 AM 1857 Views
That was the first FF I quit before even finishing, and consequently the last I played in the series Zalis - 18/01/2011 03:23:40 PM 1681 Views
I wouldn't even call JRPGs and Western RPGs the same genre, really. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 19/01/2011 02:45:17 PM 884 Views
Like SVU and NCIS are both crime dramas, stylistic differences can remain under one genre umbrella. Zalis - 19/01/2011 03:11:41 PM 1653 Views
Yeah, I think I'm running into WRPG burnout. Ghavrel - 19/01/2011 06:23:49 PM 1733 Views
Worth a shot. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/01/2011 06:07:23 PM 921 Views
If you're going the Final Fantasy route, I'd recommend Final Fantasy Tactics. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/01/2011 06:36:02 PM 892 Views
ianski - 21/01/2011 02:14:41 PM 1662 Views
The gameplay or the story? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/01/2011 06:24:06 AM 927 Views
Gameplay is preventing me from playing this game. ianski - 23/01/2011 03:09:39 PM 1730 Views
Go SNES! FF6, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound... beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 07:42:23 PM 1592 Views
I can agree to that. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2011 08:03:59 PM 1739 Views
A suggestion we can all agree on. Zalis - 19/01/2011 08:07:54 PM 1722 Views
Holy. Fanatic-Templar - 21/01/2011 08:17:35 PM 1701 Views
What do you think of Strategy RPGs? *NM* Roland00 - 20/01/2011 03:59:52 PM 891 Views
wat *NM* Ghavrel - 21/01/2011 04:13:07 AM 792 Views
Strat-RPG?? Are they doing a Jagged Alliance sequel?? ianski - 21/01/2011 02:06:05 PM 1553 Views
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