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It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs. Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM
Depending on what you like, anyway. The original BG was very true to that original tabletop RPG feel. It was more open than BGII, you were constantly trying to figure out what exactly was going on (in BGII/ToB, you are as well, but it's more OBVIOUS what was going on), and your characters were usually some what underpowered on gear. You had to succeed based on your MERITS, and you chose what you succeeded in. It was possible to play for days and barely advance the main story line, and it was all fun. There weren't just "side quests" there were "side stories". It was very true to the original concept of "RPG".

Nor do I really feel any desire to (let me tell you, it makes starting BGII, and presumably BG as well, rather confusing for a while, and I'm still not sure what THACO stands for except that lower is better - the manual didn't deign to explain). But I will admit my favourite part of BGII was probably that long section in Athkatla and surroundings where you have dozens of things you can do in whatever order strikes your fancy, and the best quests are the ones that can be done in different ways. So if BG is more like that, that's certainly a good thing, agreed.

ToB is a bit less fun than BGII, largely for the two reasons you cite (overpowered characters and too linear a plot), even if having ultra-powerful characters does have its moments.
There was more STORY to BGII and ToB, I think, but please do NOT think that BG would not be as good just because it was a sequel. It has a very different feel. You're not a Child of Baal. You're an orphaned young adult trying to stay alive, make your way, make some gold, and maybe, just maybe, figure out wtf is going on. If you get around to it, anyway. Or you can make it a priority. It's REALLY up to you.

I might give it a try after all, then... but it'll take me a while still to finish ToB with my main party and to at least do the main things I haven't done yet with the other one in BGII.
And for the love of GOD please don't compare BG to Diablo. The BG franchise is potentially the best RPG series in existence (and is definitely one of the best) Diablo is a repetitive dungeon hack.

I was hardly saying they were comparable games, merely making an observation that held for both (or I thought so, anyway; I rather question lord-of-shadow's statement about Diablo I though ). Diablo II is a fantastic game and I love it, but it certainly is a different genre from BG, so fair enough if you don't like it.
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else... LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM 1017 Views
I pretty much just hear... MightyYT - 30/04/2011 07:57:10 AM 718 Views
you must gather your party before venturing forth Foxhead - 30/04/2011 10:16:34 AM 686 Views
oh god....I hope that narrator makes lots of money. He DESERVES it LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 10:01:01 PM 682 Views
This behaviour must not continue. Feel the burning stare of my HAMSTER and change your ways! beetnemesis - 30/04/2011 11:43:38 PM 756 Views
the best. Particularly since follow-ups having come CLOSE :rollups: LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 12:25:01 AM 662 Views
go for the eyes boo, GO FOR THE EYES!!! (squeek, squeek) *NM* ianski - 09/05/2011 06:45:06 AM 308 Views
"Build more burrows." *NM* Zalis - 30/04/2011 11:28:59 PM 350 Views
To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd. Legolas - 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM 670 Views
live by the sword live a good long time! Foxhead - 01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM 789 Views
Xzar!!! LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 04:21:18 AM 684 Views
I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM* Legolas - 01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM 320 Views
...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one? LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM 699 Views
I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it." Zalis - 02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM 626 Views
i really recommend going back and playing BG1 then LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 04:19:21 PM 712 Views
Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss. Legolas - 02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM 778 Views
BG1>BG2>tob Foxhead - 03/05/2011 09:37:31 AM 733 Views
You have more characters, but they don't participate as much. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:36:28 PM 704 Views
I certainly agree that SoA > ToB. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:45:15 PM 682 Views
to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM 736 Views
hi 5* *NM* Foxhead - 03/05/2011 02:16:17 PM 449 Views
BG was AD&D 2.0 and BGII was 2.5, right? *NM* Zalis - 03/05/2011 02:23:06 PM 329 Views
I believe so. Regardless, it doesn't really change much. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 04:19:46 PM 651 Views
It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs. Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM 819 Views
Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM 933 Views
you don't grind Foxhead - 04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM 777 Views
Depends on your perspective I guess. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM 738 Views
patience is rewarded Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:54:15 AM 811 Views
Re: patience is rewarded Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 07:31:01 PM 644 Views
so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM 741 Views
That's not true, and you know it's not true - you've talked about playing games that don't have it lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 01:18:51 PM 664 Views
by my definition of grinding, yes, games like BG don't have it. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 05:41:59 PM 741 Views
No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM 780 Views
I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM 661 Views
Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM 752 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM 693 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM 725 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM 701 Views
Apparently the archaeologist thing even happens twice, then... Legolas - 05/05/2011 08:45:59 PM 678 Views
I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM 805 Views
Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM 765 Views
ah, you found the game to be a grind? Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:08:27 AM 824 Views
Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM 445 Views
As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it. *NM* Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM 320 Views
Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department. lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM 717 Views
If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay... Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM 679 Views
Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both. lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM 664 Views
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