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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM
As far as the mages *shrug* if you don't like them, don't play them.

You kidding? Mages are awesome. I've played low level Mages throughout my D&D group's entire second edition era. But it's the truth that they suck at low levels (and that they're overpowered at high levels) and I was really the only one who was persistent enough in our group to actually endure the long wait to power (And they needed at least half again as much experience as any other class to level too, if I remember correctly. By the time your mage was level 2 the rogues was level 3 :P)


Well, I've always thought that the incredible OP status a high level mage has is balanced by the fact so few of them live to reach that level :P


Dynaheir had a quest? Also, you're probably thinking of Edwin, not Xzar :P. And yes, quests involving NPCs, while few, were generally more interesting. But this is something that is specifically and undeniably better developed in Shadows of Amn.


I believe she did, and yah, I'm thinking of Edwin. I never played with either of them much. Only the one time I intentionally played an "EVIL TO TEH BOOOONE" PC :P


Except I'm specifically complaing about the ones that you do need to head out in the middle of nowhere to find. The fact that not every quest is like this is completely unrelated to the point. Those quests (and loot, and lore) do exist. Substantially. And that causes grinding and subsequently annoyance.


Well, I've always thought of those quests has something you're supposed to "Stumble on" rather than "seek". I mean, obviously, once you know they are there you end up going out there on purpose. But as far as the "RPG"-ness of it, I think of those as "I'm going to explore this wasteland to search for ruins! Omigod look an archeologist who needs my help!!" (I made that up, I don't think there's such a scenario in BG :P)

Yes, and one of the best "quests" throughout all games is assembling all the pantaloons into the armor of awesome ^_^

That's in Throne of Bhaal though :P. I've never done it however, as I recall one of the quests involved requires evil actions, and I've never played with a sufficiently evil party :(.


well yah, but it's still awesome :P

What exactly was the strawman there? The reference to fps games? I wasn't intending to pick on FPS games or anything. I'm just saying that if you DON'T want to spend time leveling, then that sort of game is probably best for you.

You implied that I was complaining that it was difficult. I did no such thing, I complained that it was tedious.


Meh, there's enough involved with even the boring quests that I rarely became bored. The ONLY time BG every began to bore me would be on my 5th or so playthrough within a few months :P

Have you ever played a PnP D&D game? The PnP games are what I refer to when I talk about "Real RPGs". BG plays a lot like an old AD&D game, except a little easier because you don't have to think of EVERYTHING yourself and the visual aids and dialogue prompting guide you along.

See, I have played D&D since 2nd Edition and I've never had at any point a group of adventurers head out into the wilderness and start searching it in the hopes they would find a quest.


No, but we've headed out into the wilderness without direction hoping we'd stumble on the object of our quest before :D (that was when we were REALLY YOUNG. Papa later noted that maybe he should have waited until we were at least in middle school to try playing without an adult "guide" :P)


Man I really want to play me some BG now...Mebbe I shall *plots*
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else... LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM 895 Views
I pretty much just hear... MightyYT - 30/04/2011 07:57:10 AM 597 Views
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oh god....I hope that narrator makes lots of money. He DESERVES it LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 10:01:01 PM 551 Views
This behaviour must not continue. Feel the burning stare of my HAMSTER and change your ways! beetnemesis - 30/04/2011 11:43:38 PM 633 Views
the best. Particularly since follow-ups having come CLOSE :rollups: LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 12:25:01 AM 535 Views
go for the eyes boo, GO FOR THE EYES!!! (squeek, squeek) *NM* ianski - 09/05/2011 06:45:06 AM 252 Views
"Build more burrows." *NM* Zalis - 30/04/2011 11:28:59 PM 296 Views
To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd. Legolas - 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM 542 Views
live by the sword live a good long time! Foxhead - 01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM 659 Views
Xzar!!! LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 04:21:18 AM 561 Views
I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM* Legolas - 01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM 265 Views
...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one? LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM 553 Views
I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it." Zalis - 02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM 503 Views
i really recommend going back and playing BG1 then LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 04:19:21 PM 586 Views
Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss. Legolas - 02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM 646 Views
BG1>BG2>tob Foxhead - 03/05/2011 09:37:31 AM 607 Views
You have more characters, but they don't participate as much. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:36:28 PM 565 Views
I certainly agree that SoA > ToB. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:45:15 PM 552 Views
to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM 594 Views
hi 5* *NM* Foxhead - 03/05/2011 02:16:17 PM 370 Views
BG was AD&D 2.0 and BGII was 2.5, right? *NM* Zalis - 03/05/2011 02:23:06 PM 276 Views
I believe so. Regardless, it doesn't really change much. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 04:19:46 PM 527 Views
It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs. Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM 683 Views
Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM 787 Views
you don't grind Foxhead - 04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM 632 Views
Depends on your perspective I guess. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM 597 Views
patience is rewarded Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:54:15 AM 655 Views
Re: patience is rewarded Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 07:31:01 PM 503 Views
so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM 605 Views
That's not true, and you know it's not true - you've talked about playing games that don't have it lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 01:18:51 PM 541 Views
by my definition of grinding, yes, games like BG don't have it. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 05:41:59 PM 623 Views
No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM 637 Views
I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM 527 Views
Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM 610 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM 553 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM 610 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM 553 Views
Apparently the archaeologist thing even happens twice, then... Legolas - 05/05/2011 08:45:59 PM 557 Views
I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM 663 Views
Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM 634 Views
ah, you found the game to be a grind? Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:08:27 AM 693 Views
Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM 384 Views
As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it. *NM* Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM 265 Views
Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department. lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM 597 Views
If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay... Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM 558 Views
Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both. lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM 548 Views
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