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Yeah I understand. Aemon Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 05:18:34 AM
It just sounded like you were saying it wasn't correct for people to say that they liked the game for the story. "It's not the story they like, it's the graphics, the voice acting, the experience." That's what I was getting from your post. And in response I just wanted to say that while yes, the experiential factors are important, the story is still the draw. Saying "I like it for the story" does not improperly lump in extraneous factors.

You don't have to say "I like it for the experience." You can still say "I like it for the story," in spite of the fact that the story is bolstered by its supporting features. People might not like a steak if it was raw and unseasoned, but that doesn't mean that what they REALLY want to eat is hot seasoning. :P
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So being a FF fan and never having played FF 12... Dark Knight - 24/09/2009 10:25:44 PM 960 Views
The story in FF12 leaves much to be desired Dragonsworn - 24/09/2009 10:41:28 PM 933 Views
I love FF but I didn't even bother to finish 12 *NM* Marius2000 - 24/09/2009 10:45:55 PM 376 Views
You're not alone- the characters just didn't click for me, nor did the plot beetnemesis - 24/09/2009 11:16:11 PM 786 Views
Videogame stories suck the big one, with VERY few exceptions. Joker - 25/09/2009 12:29:39 AM 806 Views
FF7?!?! You're a nutcase! Kotagg - 25/09/2009 01:50:16 AM 751 Views
It was still good though Brian - 26/09/2009 03:06:12 AM 634 Views
Fair enough. Maybe I'm proving my own point. Joker - 26/09/2009 06:46:26 AM 796 Views
I will have to disagree with this... MightyYT - 26/09/2009 08:20:46 AM 705 Views
Exactly. When I think story here, I think of the individual stories as well as the whole. Kotagg - 26/09/2009 07:13:24 PM 817 Views
Still, it's good for a videogame story. Joker - 26/09/2009 07:54:01 PM 741 Views
I agree, with caveat. Cymbaline - 26/09/2009 11:54:25 PM 845 Views
New games do not feature the storytelling prowess of good TV, films, or novels. Joker - 28/09/2009 01:03:46 AM 754 Views
I disagree. Maybe you're playing the wrong games. *NM* Cymbaline - 28/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 363 Views
What is the videogame equivalent of The Godfather, The Wire, or Great Expectations? *NM* Joker - 01/10/2009 03:31:37 AM 390 Views
Ah, I see. *NM* Joker - 03/10/2009 08:02:28 PM 404 Views
Say what? Cymbaline - 04/10/2009 02:21:01 PM 705 Views
"Ah, I see" means "You haven't answered because there is no satisfactory answer." Joker - 05/10/2009 07:06:03 AM 725 Views
So you expect me to reply within two days when it took you three? Cymbaline - 05/10/2009 10:29:27 PM 655 Views
I've used that escape from a debate I was losing, too. It's a good one Joker - 06/10/2009 09:21:31 PM 778 Views
I... don't think you understand how this works. Cymbaline - 06/10/2009 11:41:12 PM 719 Views
Anything of worth? Joker - 09/10/2009 03:24:42 AM 698 Views
Cymbaline is right. Some games have excellent stories. MightyYT - 29/09/2009 10:44:16 AM 693 Views
And yet so many people claim to play them for their stories... lord-of-shadow - 25/09/2009 03:06:44 AM 807 Views
The extras lower peoples' standards, but I DO think it's still the story. Aemon - 25/09/2009 04:34:30 AM 697 Views
That's basically what I meant. lord-of-shadow - 25/09/2009 05:05:19 AM 677 Views
Yeah I understand. Aemon - 25/09/2009 05:18:34 AM 763 Views
You are correct. But it sounds like semantics to me, since in practice... lord-of-shadow - 25/09/2009 06:00:41 AM 713 Views
I suppose it is, at that. Aemon - 25/09/2009 01:58:25 PM 759 Views
Well said. Joker - 26/09/2009 06:48:10 AM 720 Views
I enjoyed 12 more than most of those you mentioned... MightyYT - 25/09/2009 12:55:56 AM 694 Views
I agree. *NM* Manusho - 25/09/2009 02:44:08 AM 473 Views
The grid was fine, but didn't scale well. Aemon - 25/09/2009 04:35:57 AM 694 Views
I'll agree with this point, but I also agree with most of the thoughts of the GP Jragghen - 25/09/2009 05:26:18 PM 781 Views
I am glad that at least one person here is with me on this. Cymbaline - 26/09/2009 05:53:42 AM 722 Views
It's interesting.... lord-of-shadow - 26/09/2009 06:55:18 PM 762 Views
Plot doesn't kick in until later on, sadly Jragghen - 26/09/2009 07:27:55 PM 704 Views
I partially agree with LoS, and I partially disagree with you. Cymbaline - 27/09/2009 12:07:07 AM 803 Views
Opinion mine: 12 was a great game, and a terrible Final Fantasy. Aemon - 25/09/2009 05:03:28 AM 766 Views
I didn't like it and didn't finish *NM* Deadsy - 25/09/2009 05:34:42 AM 365 Views
i finished it recently and i found it allright Yunalesca - 25/09/2009 11:30:36 AM 989 Views
Final Fantasy XII was the best written FF ever, by far. Cymbaline - 26/09/2009 05:47:27 AM 769 Views
I agree with this. MightyYT - 26/09/2009 08:22:40 AM 751 Views
LOL... FFXII was the best FFXII ever? TaskmasterJack - 26/09/2009 03:43:11 PM 728 Views
That was juvenile, TMJ. Also, he said best written FF. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 26/09/2009 06:58:12 PM 398 Views
Yes, it was funny on a juvenile level. TaskmasterJack - 26/09/2009 07:11:12 PM 720 Views
Ah, I must have missed the typo. lord-of-shadow - 26/09/2009 08:32:51 PM 779 Views
So much confusion everywhere! Cymbaline - 26/09/2009 11:48:32 PM 797 Views
Some of us --I'd even say MOST of us-- like that, though. Aemon - 26/09/2009 07:20:55 PM 762 Views
Agreed, I want to get into a magical whale's belly and fly through the air ... The_Muted_Grimaud - 28/09/2009 05:03:14 AM 961 Views
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