Active Users:357 Time:27/04/2024 07:55:34 AM
Such a provincial attitude to have, but sadly a common one back then Larry Send a noteboard - 25/06/2017 01:30:48 AM

View original post
Unlike you, Russell apparently believed that "nothing of importance to the world came out of Constantinople except an artistic tradition and Justininian's Codes of Roman Law."

There's some really wretched history in here.


In fact, I'll just quote the whole relevant passage.


Stoics thought of the virtuous life as a relation of the soul to God, rather than as a relation of the citizen to the State. They thus prepared the way for Christianity, which, like Stoicism, was originally unpolitical, since, during its first three centuries, its adherents were devoid of influence on government. Social cohesion, during the six and a half centuries from Alexander to Constantine, was secured, not by philosophy and not by ancient loyalties, but by force, first that of armies and then that of civil administration. Roman armies, Roman roads, Roman law, and Roman officials first created and then preserved a powerful centralized State. Nothing was attributable to Roman philosophy, since there was
none.

During this long period, the Greek ideas inherited from the age of freedom underwent a gradual process of transformation. Some of the old ideas, notably those which we should regard as specifically religious, gained in relative importance; others, more rationalistic, were discarded because they no longer suited the spirit of the age. In this way the later pagans trimmed the Greek tradition until it became suitable for incorporation in Christian doctrine.

Christianity popularized an important opinion, already implicit in the teaching of the Stoics, but foreign to the general spirit of antiquity I mean, the opinion that a man's duty to God is more imperative than his duty to the State. 1 This opinion that "we ought to obey God rather than Man/' as Socrates and the Apostles said survived the conversion of Constantine, because the early Christian emperors were Arians or inclined to Arianism. When the emperors became orthodox, it fell into abeyance. In the Byzantine Empire it remained latent, as also in the subsequent Russian Empire, which derived its Christianity from Constantinople. But in the West, where the Catholic emperors were almost immediately replaced (except in parts of Gaul) by heretical barbarian conquerors, the superiority of religious to political allegiance survived, and to some extent still survives.

The barbarian invasion put an end, for six centuries, to the civilization of western Europe. It lingered in Ireland until the Danes destroyed it in the ninth century; before its extinction there it produced one notable figure, Scotus Erigena. In the Eastern Empire, Greek civilization, in a desiccated form, survived, as in a museum, till the fall of Constantinople in 1453, but nothing of importance to the world came out of Constantinople except an artistic tradition and Justinian's Codes of Roman law.



If I weren't so tired, I'd consider writing a rebuttal of his thoughts. Maybe later.

Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
Reply to message
Since it's been ages it seems, what are you reading now? - 24/06/2017 02:52:02 AM 872 Views
When I'm not reading bar prep materials, I'm reading Russell's HISTORY OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHY. - 24/06/2017 04:26:44 AM 470 Views
Such a provincial attitude to have, but sadly a common one back then - 25/06/2017 01:30:48 AM 540 Views
It's a shame. The ERE/Byzantine Empire is criminally underappreciated, even now. - 25/06/2017 02:35:53 AM 475 Views
True - 25/06/2017 02:57:01 AM 533 Views
Other people decide for me, these days (book club) - 24/06/2017 11:50:21 AM 474 Views
Remember when we used to do such things around here? - 25/06/2017 01:32:39 AM 577 Views
Robin Hobb - Assassin's Fate *NM* - 24/06/2017 04:13:58 PM 302 Views
Keri Hulme - The Bone People. Really enjoying it. - 24/06/2017 08:35:01 PM 574 Views
That's much more time than I have, it seems - 25/06/2017 01:29:20 AM 572 Views
It's kind of hard to describe. - 25/06/2017 10:58:46 AM 499 Views
It is such an excellent book. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:32:57 AM 317 Views
Re: Since it's been ages it seems, what are you reading now? - 24/06/2017 09:41:54 PM 530 Views
Just bought a shit-load of Kindle books that I'd been wanting to read for a while - 25/06/2017 08:32:16 AM 543 Views
On the books by Taleb - 25/06/2017 09:46:32 AM 551 Views
A World in Disarray by Richard Haass - 25/06/2017 09:54:01 AM 459 Views
Can't concentrate on anything but light reading these days - 25/06/2017 06:06:03 PM 525 Views
Next on the list is The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O. *NM* - 25/06/2017 06:33:40 PM 287 Views
Oooh. I plan on reading this too sometime during the summer. *NM* - 26/06/2017 01:15:50 PM 298 Views
I just finished Rites of Spring on your recommendation - 26/06/2017 01:13:45 AM 483 Views
1984 - 26/06/2017 03:17:32 AM 713 Views
His footnotes in that trilogy are amazing. - 26/06/2017 01:14:33 PM 481 Views
Noble House is the best of those, that I've read. - 26/06/2017 06:41:38 PM 448 Views
I look forward to it. - 26/06/2017 08:24:23 PM 471 Views
I read them all - 27/06/2017 09:51:48 PM 516 Views
A Night Without Stars *NM* - 28/06/2017 05:48:13 PM 277 Views
Smutty romance. - 29/06/2017 09:31:29 AM 598 Views

Reply to Message