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Are you familiar with Jonathan Haidt? Roland00 Send a noteboard - 27/09/2017 04:28:55 AM

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You are quite right, flags and the songs that honor them are not apolitical.

So I am trying to make my point, and right now I did not get much sleep last night, and I was doing lots of reading, and I am still processing what I have read, and some of what I read last night about different subjects have enough Intersectionality (I mean a specific thing when I am saying Intersectionality right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality ) with these subjects that are completely unrelated, that I am still processing what I read and how I feel about those things and how I feel about these things.

Aka I am not bring my A game for making my point for I am still in the processing stage.

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(And you do not know this but lets pretend the last 48 hours and what I have read have not impacted my thinking.)

So Mookie are you familiar with Jonathan Haidt? He has written some best seller books about moral social psychology in the last few years. He is also infinitely approachable where just watching a youtube presentation / power point lecture which he is giving is enough to start learning about him you do not need to read his books to understand his ideas he is one of those authors where there is no perfect exit and it is easy for people to just start learning about him / reading him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind
The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion

Well this whole flag debate / anthem thing is reminding me of one of his pictures he has of Mecca and a specific location in Mecca called the Ka'bah / Kabba but to outsiders it would be the weird cube people run around and do a once in a life time pilgrimage (or more) to. Aka this image https://i2.wp.com/onbeing.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/8126687641_a9d1548345_o.jpg?fit=1200%2C800&ssl=1

Well the flag / anthem is one such object in American life, here is a 2012 NYT editorial Haidt did on this subject.


Forget the Money and Follow the Sacredness

https://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/forget-the-money-follow-the-sacredness/?mcubz=3

So Mookie if you have not read anything by Jonathan Haidt you really should read one of his books such as the wikipedia link I gave earlier, or watch one of the lectures Haidt has given at a university on things such as youtube or perhaps one of the recent 2015 or 2016 lectures he has done on campus culture and whether univerisites are chasing the wrong sacred values such as this lecture at Duke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gatn5ameRr8


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I am also reminded of this Christopher Hitchens piece

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/christopher-hitchens-the-narcissism-of-small-differences

Where Hitchens uses a term that Freud used (the narcissism of small differences) and it is things like the last paragraph at the very end... that make me miss Hitchens and wish he was still among us in both voice and prose


So pity the Uzbeks and Kyrgyz as they peer suspiciously at one another during a sudden time of scarcity and insecurity. Their mutual miseries may be just beginning. And all this contains the true ingredients of tragedy — and of irony. One of the great advantages possessed by Homo sapiens is the amazing lack of variation between its different “branches.” Since we left Africa, we have diverged as a species hardly at all. If we were dogs, we would all be the same breed. We do not suffer from the enormous differences that separate other primates, let alone other mammals. As if to spite this huge natural gift, and to disfigure what could be our overwhelming solidarity, we manage to find excuses for chauvinism and racism on the most minor of occasions and then to make the most of them. This is why condemnation of bigotry and superstition is not just a moral question but a matter of survival.

Note Freud did not pioneer that phrase, but he made it famous. It was actually a sports writer Ernest Crawley who started the term. Ernest Crawley was a sports journalist, but he also wrote about anthropology (study of current and past human societies) and specifically about the concept of Taboo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences

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So yeah this long ass post was me asking you Mookie are you familiar with Jonathan Haidt and regardless of the answer you should read some of his works / and / or watch him lecture about this subject for I find this fascinating.

Oh it is also very relevant to this whole flag thing.

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From what I've read the tradition started in the 1918 baseball World Series. damookster - 26/09/2017 08:13:50 PM 504 Views
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No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave *NM* Roland00 - 27/09/2017 02:51:27 AM 239 Views
Making a point here? damookster - 27/09/2017 03:09:47 AM 463 Views
Jeo was saying the song has no controversy Roland00 - 27/09/2017 03:54:02 AM 480 Views
I get it damookster - 27/09/2017 04:01:47 AM 528 Views
Are you familiar with Jonathan Haidt? Roland00 - 27/09/2017 04:28:55 AM 503 Views
Not yet, but I will be thanks to your links damookster - 27/09/2017 03:22:23 PM 484 Views
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