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The memo is clearly not nonsense to the extent it shows abuse within the FBI. Tom Send a noteboard - 03/02/2018 10:15:49 PM

You could get a ham sandwich through FISA court, obviously. I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. It's gross and disgusting and needs to change. But that is not the story.

The story is that the FBI is supposed to be apolitical and supposed to have clean hands when it applies to FISC. In this case it was blatantly neither. While I would hope this would lead to a sweeping reform of the FISA system generally, I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. Even so, Strzok and Ohr both clearly violated the FBI's code of conduct.

Furthermore, regardless of whether there ever was "collusion" between President Trump and Russia, this investigation started based on a calumnious report that was supported by itself, essentially. The entire accusation and subsequent investigation was generated out of nothing, and they knew it was generated out of nothing. Steele's report was supported by the Yahoo news story, which was the result of Steele talking to Yahoo. Some of the FBI team knew that and didn't care.

If Mueller gets someone on "obstruction of justice" on the basis of a bad faith investigation I would certainly argue "fruit of the poisonous tree" on appeal. You, FBI, made up a story. You knew you made it up. You then got Congress to authorize an investigation on the basis of lies and you charged my client with obstructing your spurious and illegally initiated investigation.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

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So that memo was released.... Jeordam - 02/02/2018 06:59:35 PM 1556 Views
"God's in His heaven— All's right with the world!" Roland00 - 02/02/2018 07:14:41 PM 1138 Views
Just reading the memo is indeed the best approach, I just did too. Legolas - 02/02/2018 08:20:01 PM 1138 Views
I find it hard to believe the Obama appointees in the DoJ did not know where the dossier came from *NM* AgentApple - 02/02/2018 09:17:06 PM 577 Views
As do I. Was that supposed to have any relevance to my post? *NM* Legolas - 02/02/2018 09:34:57 PM 610 Views
Re: As do I. Was that supposed to have any relevance to my post? AgentApple - 02/02/2018 10:37:21 PM 1032 Views
Yes, you did misunderstand me then. Legolas - 03/02/2018 12:17:27 AM 1048 Views
yes, that's makes sense. AgentApple - 03/02/2018 09:41:46 AM 965 Views
It does bring up more questions... Jeordam - 02/02/2018 10:53:01 PM 1079 Views
Seems you already decided on some answers in advance, though. Legolas - 03/02/2018 01:53:00 AM 957 Views
With over 34,000 FISA applications just 12 (not 12,000 or 1200 or 120) were denied. Tom - 03/02/2018 04:07:24 PM 1071 Views
Correction: "just under", not "over" 34,000 Tom - 03/02/2018 10:08:54 PM 1004 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 03/02/2018 11:53:05 PM 1024 Views
Ok, I really did laugh out loud at that Tom - 06/02/2018 09:16:50 PM 955 Views
Those are the ones we have to watch! aerocontrols - 04/02/2018 12:48:49 AM 974 Views
He's the primary demographic for the 4Chans, isn't he? *NM* Tom - 06/02/2018 09:15:47 PM 616 Views
This part was quite revealing The Shrike - 02/02/2018 08:23:28 PM 981 Views
I do find it very telling how many members of the media are suddenly opposed to transparency random thoughts - 02/02/2018 08:51:28 PM 947 Views
Ironic, right? Anonymous2000 - 02/02/2018 09:12:43 PM 888 Views
So you are saying the House Intelligence Committee SHOULD release Schiffs rebuttal of Nunes' lies? Joel - 03/02/2018 03:58:13 AM 1041 Views
I am for releasing all of it random thoughts - 04/02/2018 12:28:57 AM 1033 Views
You, Sen. Kennedy (R-LA) and NO ONE ELSE on the right. Joel - 04/02/2018 07:41:17 AM 1547 Views
To summarize..... Anonymous2000 - 02/02/2018 09:12:06 PM 963 Views
I seem to recall much incredulity when Trump claimed he was being wire tapped AgentApple - 02/02/2018 09:15:14 PM 959 Views
Er. Let me see if I'm getting this right. Legolas - 02/02/2018 09:34:14 PM 1010 Views
They did somehow tap Flynn AgentApple - 02/02/2018 10:44:55 PM 949 Views
Keep in mind Sessions wanted Rosenstein to resign random thoughts - 02/02/2018 11:28:52 PM 872 Views
Why would SESSIONS want Rosenstein fired? Joel - 03/02/2018 05:22:16 AM 987 Views
It was on a list of about 40 Sessions wanted fired. Probably becuase he is a lib *NM* random thoughts - 04/02/2018 12:31:13 AM 614 Views
Sessions is a lib? Do you mean Libertarian? Joel - 04/02/2018 07:57:45 AM 1581 Views
No, they tapped the Russian Ambassador to the US, per SOP; not the FBIs fault Flynn called him. Joel - 03/02/2018 03:59:54 AM 951 Views
no but were they listening when he spoke to Trump? random thoughts - 02/02/2018 11:25:30 PM 922 Views
Nope, just listening to the Russian Ambassador when Flynn repeatedly called during the campaign Joel - 03/02/2018 04:11:27 AM 984 Views
Actually, also, seems I missed a fairly crucial point until now, as did others here... Legolas - 03/02/2018 01:15:10 AM 1079 Views
If working with a forgein agent is such a sin... random thoughts - 02/02/2018 11:22:41 PM 930 Views
You're saying oppo research should have its own kind of Jones Act? Legolas - 03/02/2018 12:51:27 AM 941 Views
No I am saying that it seen as crimianl when one side does and no big deal when the other does it random thoughts - 03/02/2018 01:15:22 AM 963 Views
I believe campaign aid from foreign private citizens OR govt is equally illegal, FWIW Joel - 03/02/2018 04:28:14 AM 896 Views
Actually, JEB BUSH hired the former MI6 agents firm to do oppo research on Trump during the primary Joel - 03/02/2018 04:03:08 AM 1040 Views
Sometimes I forget how right-wing most everyone here is. The memo itself is just nonsense. Ghavrel - 03/02/2018 02:44:16 AM 1021 Views
Ironic, since Republicans Mueller, Comey and Wray threatened to resign over Ws warrantless taps Joel - 03/02/2018 04:07:10 AM 948 Views
I can't speak for the present with too much information is unknown Roland00 - 03/02/2018 04:51:14 AM 990 Views
Everyone looks right wing to someone on the far left. The Shrike - 03/02/2018 03:04:48 PM 997 Views
The memo is clearly not nonsense to the extent it shows abuse within the FBI. Tom - 03/02/2018 10:15:49 PM 964 Views
Fruit of the poisonous tree wouldn't apply here, though. Ghavrel - 04/02/2018 05:40:44 AM 957 Views
I would certainly argue it Tom - 05/02/2018 04:55:18 PM 900 Views
I think you'd win! Insofar as you'd get the FISA warrant excluded. Ghavrel - 07/02/2018 07:01:42 AM 992 Views
Actually, everyone I have seen exposing the material falsehoods Nunes invented are Republicans Joel - 03/02/2018 03:54:03 AM 1062 Views
Dear Joel, damookster - 03/02/2018 04:31:18 AM 1033 Views
I have Joel - 03/02/2018 05:09:19 AM 932 Views
You’re getting to old to be this naive damookster - 03/02/2018 05:17:44 AM 965 Views
Never said either side is the good guys Joel - 03/02/2018 05:36:55 AM 941 Views
Don't feed the Joel. Tom - 03/02/2018 10:17:12 PM 933 Views
Turn him to any cause of policy, The Gordian Knot of it he will tangle, Familiar as his garter Roland00 - 03/02/2018 10:51:36 PM 991 Views
I sort of want to like this, but your answers keep getting weirder and weirder *NM* Tom - 06/02/2018 09:17:42 PM 521 Views
WSJ source Roland00 - 03/02/2018 05:04:04 AM 1075 Views
You believe the commie liberals at Rupert Murdochs Wall Street Journal? Joel - 03/02/2018 05:14:08 AM 944 Views
well as long as you have an unnaamed source it must be true *NM* random thoughts - 04/02/2018 01:05:36 AM 622 Views
What is your point? *NM* Roland00 - 04/02/2018 01:53:37 AM 541 Views
What is yours? random thoughts - 04/02/2018 04:30:51 PM 859 Views
We are having completely different conversations right now, and completely different things we are Roland00 - 04/02/2018 11:38:35 PM 1012 Views
Yeah, look what happens when you shit on the Fourth Amendment. Vodalus - 03/02/2018 09:09:00 PM 991 Views
Right, because the President of the United States is just a private citizen Joel - 04/02/2018 08:08:32 AM 1588 Views
The point was that the people in power want the Fourth Amendment to apply, or not, as they see fit. Vodalus - 06/02/2018 08:16:19 PM 891 Views
The key issue is being ignored random thoughts - 04/02/2018 04:35:32 PM 887 Views
Answer = Hell Yes Anonymous2000 - 04/02/2018 09:00:49 PM 857 Views
Does anybody still cares about the Nunes memo? I ask for the Schiff memo was released? Roland00 - 26/02/2018 11:14:51 PM 1119 Views
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