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*nods* Jeordam Send a noteboard - 11/02/2019 10:16:12 PM

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View original postMy question is this. Why should I be forced to pay for something for someone? I question the baseline thought that health care is a "Right". All of these people here in America now have the AHA option for health insurance. Many have jobs which offer it as a perk of employment there.

Yeah, that's the kind of principled objection I was talking about - even if it was clearly proven that Medicare for All was realistically achievable and would in fact offer equally good or better national health statistics while coming at a net saving for the USA as a whole, which I don't think it is, you'd probably still object to it on general principle as you explain here. Which is fair enough, it just bugs me when people use lazy bogus arguments in this kind of debate. Especially when it's people who should know better, like the author of that op-ed.

See...and because you allowed me to voice my thoughts without jumping all over me, I am willing to listen. Besides the point that I made above, my other thing is that the government (US) is wildly wasteful in terms of finances and time. They are inefficient at almost anything, from the local level, to state, and Federal. Too much red tape. It's the ultimate bottleneck. Why would I want to funnel my personal care & health decisions through that?

~Jeordam

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Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate - Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 02:30:53 PM 947 Views
That is just to cover the additional costs. damookster - 11/02/2019 03:36:23 PM 442 Views
Very good point! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:17 PM 244 Views
But I heard we can just print some $1 Trillion coins and pay for it that way *NM* aerocontrols - 11/02/2019 03:38:01 PM 250 Views
All paid via Bitcoins! Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:46 PM 411 Views
I can't even imagine... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 04:47:31 PM 453 Views
Agreed, it would destroy a lot of households. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2019 04:59:45 AM 242 Views
You realize this is a ridiculous comparison, right? Legolas - 11/02/2019 06:06:55 PM 607 Views
Eliminating my health insurance costs benefits my employer far more than me. damookster - 11/02/2019 06:34:44 PM 474 Views
I agree, it's not obvious where that money would go. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:14:31 PM 445 Views
The Trump tax cuts put an extra $300 per month in my take-home pay. damookster - 11/02/2019 08:18:04 PM 428 Views
I was talking about the corporate tax reduction part. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:39:08 PM 450 Views
So if they just took the money your employer is already paying... *NM* random thoughts - 11/02/2019 11:43:02 PM 259 Views
Mookie why can't I buy into Medicare, why do you get Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:47:42 AM 428 Views
I do not have Medicare even though I’m old enough to qualify. damookster - 12/02/2019 12:52:04 AM 428 Views
I repeat why can't I buy into Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 01:06:26 AM 407 Views
I liked Mike Tyson’s version. damookster - 12/02/2019 03:06:51 AM 441 Views
I never answered your question, did I? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:33:55 AM 412 Views
Buy in, he said. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:41:29 AM 412 Views
Less than private insurance? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:59:44 AM 414 Views
You are making assumptions here. Roland00 - 13/02/2019 01:27:12 AM 410 Views
You’re right, I am. damookster - 13/02/2019 02:08:02 AM 426 Views
Nothing wrong with that Roland00 - 13/02/2019 03:18:40 AM 416 Views
I’m sorry Roland that your experiences have been so negative. damookster - 13/02/2019 03:33:20 AM 420 Views
by the way, I’m on my third dirty Cajun martini... damookster - 13/02/2019 03:41:51 AM 423 Views
It is probably good that I am broke right now Roland00 - 13/02/2019 04:21:37 AM 432 Views
It is. Come to Connecticut and I will buy you as many as you can handle. *NM* damookster - 13/02/2019 04:30:25 AM 238 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 05:00:42 AM 403 Views
Yes , you are right damookster - 13/02/2019 05:16:07 AM 438 Views
I'll have to take your word for it... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 07:14:15 PM 456 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:22:13 PM 429 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 11/02/2019 10:16:12 PM 438 Views
Is it really wasteful? I think that is just your moral intuition. Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:55:21 AM 402 Views
Have you ever worked with the US government? Jeordam - 12/02/2019 05:30:44 PM 433 Views
I can't import the paperwork and accounting software without importing their values? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 06:08:07 PM 402 Views
As someone who writes technical documents and consults with software.... Jeordam - 12/02/2019 09:30:33 PM 413 Views
Too many cooks, thus we must remain with the Status Quo? *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2019 10:06:32 PM 229 Views
On US government inefficiency... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:45:39 AM 427 Views
I agree with you. Jeordam - 13/02/2019 06:42:21 PM 379 Views
"why should i have to pay for something for someone else" asks man who uses public infrastructure moondog - 19/02/2019 10:17:31 PM 626 Views
You do realize that there is a difference... Jeordam - 20/02/2019 05:54:50 PM 402 Views
How is it ridiculous? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:45:40 AM 420 Views
how did you manage to become mayor of any place being so willfully stupid all the time? *NM* moondog - 19/02/2019 10:19:32 PM 396 Views
Re: Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate - Duke - 11/03/2019 04:13:54 AM 442 Views
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