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How is it ridiculous? Roland00 Send a noteboard - 12/02/2019 12:45:40 AM

Health Care Spending / Reform is at its core an argument about "values" of what Hume calls "what ought to be" it is not about facts "what is" / "what currently is."

To know about facts you actually have to have specialized knowledge and understand how these complex systems interact with each other. You have to be an expert in understanding Health Care to have an informed opinion that is not ridiculous about the facts of the matter.

People want to talk about values, aka their own values but not the values of others so they invent / twist discussion of facts in order to say your values are illegitimate and only mine are legitimate. Why is this ridiculous? I see it as a natural human instinct to do this whenever something is extremely complicated and any change of the status quo may offend your values, even if change will make more people happy with their values.

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(Note I agree with you Legolas on the actual analysis you wrote down in the main thread.)


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But frankly this kind of stupid apples to oranges comparison just makes you look like you're too scared to have a serious debate on that topic.

Yes, exactly.

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Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate - Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 02:30:53 PM 1397 Views
That is just to cover the additional costs. damookster - 11/02/2019 03:36:23 PM 866 Views
Very good point! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:17 PM 441 Views
But I heard we can just print some $1 Trillion coins and pay for it that way *NM* aerocontrols - 11/02/2019 03:38:01 PM 444 Views
All paid via Bitcoins! Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:46 PM 825 Views
I can't even imagine... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 04:47:31 PM 879 Views
Agreed, it would destroy a lot of households. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2019 04:59:45 AM 498 Views
You realize this is a ridiculous comparison, right? Legolas - 11/02/2019 06:06:55 PM 1054 Views
Eliminating my health insurance costs benefits my employer far more than me. damookster - 11/02/2019 06:34:44 PM 875 Views
I agree, it's not obvious where that money would go. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:14:31 PM 877 Views
The Trump tax cuts put an extra $300 per month in my take-home pay. damookster - 11/02/2019 08:18:04 PM 851 Views
I was talking about the corporate tax reduction part. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:39:08 PM 915 Views
So if they just took the money your employer is already paying... *NM* random thoughts - 11/02/2019 11:43:02 PM 464 Views
Mookie why can't I buy into Medicare, why do you get Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:47:42 AM 851 Views
I do not have Medicare even though I’m old enough to qualify. damookster - 12/02/2019 12:52:04 AM 833 Views
I repeat why can't I buy into Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 01:06:26 AM 808 Views
I liked Mike Tyson’s version. damookster - 12/02/2019 03:06:51 AM 836 Views
I never answered your question, did I? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:33:55 AM 801 Views
Buy in, he said. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:41:29 AM 832 Views
Less than private insurance? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:59:44 AM 826 Views
You are making assumptions here. Roland00 - 13/02/2019 01:27:12 AM 880 Views
You’re right, I am. damookster - 13/02/2019 02:08:02 AM 865 Views
Nothing wrong with that Roland00 - 13/02/2019 03:18:40 AM 883 Views
I’m sorry Roland that your experiences have been so negative. damookster - 13/02/2019 03:33:20 AM 825 Views
by the way, I’m on my third dirty Cajun martini... damookster - 13/02/2019 03:41:51 AM 830 Views
It is probably good that I am broke right now Roland00 - 13/02/2019 04:21:37 AM 845 Views
It is. Come to Connecticut and I will buy you as many as you can handle. *NM* damookster - 13/02/2019 04:30:25 AM 460 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 05:00:42 AM 824 Views
Yes , you are right damookster - 13/02/2019 05:16:07 AM 821 Views
I'll have to take your word for it... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 07:14:15 PM 885 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:22:13 PM 847 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 11/02/2019 10:16:12 PM 869 Views
Is it really wasteful? I think that is just your moral intuition. Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:55:21 AM 812 Views
Have you ever worked with the US government? Jeordam - 12/02/2019 05:30:44 PM 890 Views
I can't import the paperwork and accounting software without importing their values? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 06:08:07 PM 835 Views
As someone who writes technical documents and consults with software.... Jeordam - 12/02/2019 09:30:33 PM 826 Views
Too many cooks, thus we must remain with the Status Quo? *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2019 10:06:32 PM 412 Views
On US government inefficiency... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:45:39 AM 876 Views
I agree with you. Jeordam - 13/02/2019 06:42:21 PM 828 Views
"why should i have to pay for something for someone else" asks man who uses public infrastructure moondog - 19/02/2019 10:17:31 PM 1159 Views
You do realize that there is a difference... Jeordam - 20/02/2019 05:54:50 PM 851 Views
How is it ridiculous? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:45:40 AM 851 Views
how did you manage to become mayor of any place being so willfully stupid all the time? *NM* moondog - 19/02/2019 10:19:32 PM 769 Views
Re: Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate - Duke - 11/03/2019 04:13:54 AM 925 Views
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