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I can't import the paperwork and accounting software without importing their values? Roland00 Send a noteboard - 12/02/2019 06:08:07 PM

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Is it really wasteful? I think that is just your moral intuition. How much of current US health care is run by the government via Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, Veterans Department, and so on? Is these things inherently more wasteful than private insurance? Furthermore doesn't private insurance have a self selection phenomenon where they can choose the healthiest patients in the private market, or they do the employer market which is an larger risk pool. When you get to pick your customers it is easier to have a non efficient market when it comes to risk. Yes the 2010 Health Care Reform Bill made it harder to pick your customers but it still happens.

Furthermore why limit ourselves to the US perspective, there is private and public insurance of several dozen different countries outside of the United States?


It is wasteful. That is a fact. The amount of unnecessary processing and paperwork is extraordinary. The amount of wasted time is mind-breaking. Private insurance also needs to be worked on, but that is a separate topic. If it was Medicare for all, all you need is some good political bickering, and a good Shutdown...and everything gets worse than it was.

And why limit ourselves to the US perspective? Because we are the US. Other countries have other options, because that is them. We are not them. We can get some decent examples, but our culture, our government, our way of life, our values...each of these things is different.

~Jeordam


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Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate - Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 02:30:53 PM 1456 Views
That is just to cover the additional costs. damookster - 11/02/2019 03:36:23 PM 925 Views
Very good point! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:17 PM 483 Views
But I heard we can just print some $1 Trillion coins and pay for it that way *NM* aerocontrols - 11/02/2019 03:38:01 PM 482 Views
All paid via Bitcoins! Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:46 PM 895 Views
I can't even imagine... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 04:47:31 PM 938 Views
Agreed, it would destroy a lot of households. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2019 04:59:45 AM 530 Views
You realize this is a ridiculous comparison, right? Legolas - 11/02/2019 06:06:55 PM 1130 Views
Eliminating my health insurance costs benefits my employer far more than me. damookster - 11/02/2019 06:34:44 PM 934 Views
I agree, it's not obvious where that money would go. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:14:31 PM 938 Views
The Trump tax cuts put an extra $300 per month in my take-home pay. damookster - 11/02/2019 08:18:04 PM 902 Views
I was talking about the corporate tax reduction part. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:39:08 PM 975 Views
So if they just took the money your employer is already paying... *NM* random thoughts - 11/02/2019 11:43:02 PM 496 Views
Mookie why can't I buy into Medicare, why do you get Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:47:42 AM 912 Views
I do not have Medicare even though I’m old enough to qualify. damookster - 12/02/2019 12:52:04 AM 901 Views
I repeat why can't I buy into Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 01:06:26 AM 876 Views
I liked Mike Tyson’s version. damookster - 12/02/2019 03:06:51 AM 889 Views
I never answered your question, did I? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:33:55 AM 855 Views
Buy in, he said. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:41:29 AM 890 Views
Less than private insurance? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:59:44 AM 885 Views
You are making assumptions here. Roland00 - 13/02/2019 01:27:12 AM 944 Views
You’re right, I am. damookster - 13/02/2019 02:08:02 AM 920 Views
Nothing wrong with that Roland00 - 13/02/2019 03:18:40 AM 945 Views
I’m sorry Roland that your experiences have been so negative. damookster - 13/02/2019 03:33:20 AM 882 Views
by the way, I’m on my third dirty Cajun martini... damookster - 13/02/2019 03:41:51 AM 887 Views
It is probably good that I am broke right now Roland00 - 13/02/2019 04:21:37 AM 901 Views
It is. Come to Connecticut and I will buy you as many as you can handle. *NM* damookster - 13/02/2019 04:30:25 AM 495 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 05:00:42 AM 879 Views
Yes , you are right damookster - 13/02/2019 05:16:07 AM 868 Views
I'll have to take your word for it... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 07:14:15 PM 940 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:22:13 PM 915 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 11/02/2019 10:16:12 PM 935 Views
Is it really wasteful? I think that is just your moral intuition. Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:55:21 AM 871 Views
Have you ever worked with the US government? Jeordam - 12/02/2019 05:30:44 PM 954 Views
I can't import the paperwork and accounting software without importing their values? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 06:08:07 PM 901 Views
As someone who writes technical documents and consults with software.... Jeordam - 12/02/2019 09:30:33 PM 887 Views
Too many cooks, thus we must remain with the Status Quo? *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2019 10:06:32 PM 445 Views
On US government inefficiency... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:45:39 AM 933 Views
I agree with you. Jeordam - 13/02/2019 06:42:21 PM 897 Views
"why should i have to pay for something for someone else" asks man who uses public infrastructure moondog - 19/02/2019 10:17:31 PM 1224 Views
You do realize that there is a difference... Jeordam - 20/02/2019 05:54:50 PM 917 Views
How is it ridiculous? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:45:40 AM 914 Views
how did you manage to become mayor of any place being so willfully stupid all the time? *NM* moondog - 19/02/2019 10:19:32 PM 804 Views
Re: Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate - Duke - 11/03/2019 04:13:54 AM 989 Views
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