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I do not want to talk about the Gay Tory Roland00 Send a noteboard - 15/08/2021 11:14:14 PM

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As you correctly surmised, the quote is from Andrew Sullivan's The Weekly Dish. My comment was to state that in my opinion, Goldwater was the last American Conservative to embody any of the qualities in the quote.

I have no respect for him anymore, only hot disdain for he is not an egalitarian (he pretends he is but he reveals himself again and again)

If you want a counter opinion on the nature of American's Conservatism I would argue the frontier touches everything providing a concept of Liberty as freedom from restraint. But that is not the only definition of freedom in world history let alone in US History. And when I say the frontier touches everything you are defining as conservative how each generation saw the frontier and why it is good or bad, good and pure, good vs wicked is different. Why we want the frontier is in flux.

This book 2019's The End of the Myth: From the Frontier to the Border Wall in the Mind of America by Greg Grandin does a good job of exploring the history of it.

Likewise this podcast is a good 2 hour condensed version where Greg Grandin is interviewed about it. It talks about how Franklin, Maddison, Jefferson, Washington saw the frontier and then it goes through the generations afterwards.

https://www.thedigradio.com/podcast/end-of-the-myth-with-greg-grandin/

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One man's definition of Conservatism damookster - 13/08/2021 10:12:27 PM 508 Views
Leaves the other man saying "horseshit" fionwe1987 - 14/08/2021 01:05:51 AM 178 Views
sigh damookster - 14/08/2021 09:11:48 PM 175 Views
Wait we are not talking about the Gay Tory (with a Substack) who has a hardon for Margaret Thatcher? *NM* Roland00 - 15/08/2021 12:24:27 AM 73 Views
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! *NM* damookster - 15/08/2021 03:14:42 AM 77 Views
Why did you invoke a long dead Senator then Roland00 - 15/08/2021 04:05:14 AM 148 Views
Re: Why did you invoke a long dead Senator then damookster - 15/08/2021 03:41:02 PM 140 Views
I do not want to talk about the Gay Tory Roland00 - 15/08/2021 11:14:14 PM 141 Views
Re: I do not want to talk about the Gay Tory damookster - 16/08/2021 01:54:45 PM 124 Views
I know that and I get that Roland00 - 16/08/2021 04:51:37 PM 128 Views
And here I thought damookster - 16/08/2021 05:36:34 PM 146 Views
We hold these truths to be self-evident, the unanimous declaration of phenomenology *NM* Roland00 - 16/08/2021 07:12:19 PM 71 Views
Also Good, American Gentry Local Power and the Social Order Roland00 - 15/08/2021 11:33:44 PM 236 Views
Also Good, American Gentry Local Power and the Social Order Roland00 - 15/08/2021 11:33:44 PM 177 Views
I'm saying that spirit isn't worth lamenting fionwe1987 - 16/08/2021 05:32:46 PM 134 Views
Re: Leaves the other man saying "horseshit" Duke - 15/10/2021 12:53:55 AM 208 Views
The ism words are social constructs Roland00 - 14/08/2021 03:37:25 AM 161 Views
If I had entitled this, One Man's Definition of Being Conservative damookster - 14/08/2021 08:59:08 PM 139 Views
You are trying to sell me on something, do not be surprised when my antibodies give pushback. Roland00 - 14/08/2021 09:03:09 PM 150 Views
Brevity is not one of his strengths. The Shrike - 18/08/2021 08:54:18 PM 150 Views
Greg I am tired of this Roland00 - 23/08/2021 06:54:05 PM 157 Views
Someone is crabby today damookster - 24/08/2021 03:33:14 AM 129 Views
No for you do not make it personal, Greg does. I do not measure up to his "satisfaction" Roland00 - 24/08/2021 07:21:13 AM 130 Views
Measure up? I don't think of you that way. I'm sure you measure up just fine. The Shrike - 25/08/2021 06:49:22 PM 138 Views
Greg you do not know me. You see less than a third of me. I am long winded in specific contexts. Roland00 - 25/08/2021 07:16:12 PM 149 Views
Bring it. The Shrike - 27/08/2021 08:52:11 PM 129 Views
Should I start the popcorn? damookster - 27/08/2021 09:16:41 PM 180 Views
Re: Should I start the popcorn? Duke - 15/10/2021 12:56:29 AM 232 Views
Why are you trying to start an invitation when I say I want to see less of you when you act this way Roland00 - 28/08/2021 12:27:49 AM 143 Views
It's your choice to not reply. The Shrike - 28/08/2021 02:06:13 PM 145 Views
Here is some glass for you to chew on. Roland00 - 28/08/2021 05:40:40 PM 142 Views
You know, The Shrike - 29/08/2021 03:50:44 PM 189 Views
Greg’s so nice / Greg’s not good / Greg’s not bad / Greg’s just nice, fuck you! *NM* Roland00 - 29/08/2021 06:07:46 PM 94 Views
Try harder. Maybe fewer words. But more impactful. The Shrike - 30/08/2021 11:58:05 AM 127 Views
~makes another batch of popcorn~ *NM* damookster - 30/08/2021 02:01:22 PM 142 Views
Gurrlfriend, if I could, I would. The Shrike - 25/08/2021 06:46:45 PM 138 Views
*claps* Roland00 - 25/08/2021 07:16:37 PM 144 Views
It's a good description. The Shrike - 18/08/2021 08:52:00 PM 173 Views
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