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Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM

View original postCome on, Elizabeth. You know the answer. Because the Democrats have consistently portrayed themselves as the party of morality, the shining beacon of democratic order. Whereas Trump, as Dave Chappelle pointed out in a brilliant bit, openly states not only who and what he is, but who and what who and what all politicians are.

There's basically nothing that 'all politicians' have in common. Some things the large majority has in common, like having above-average cognitive intelligence (not necessarily above-average wisdom or common sense though!) as well as above-average-sized egos, but still one can think of obvious exceptions.

And as for Trump, pretty much nobody thinks that Trump is much like 'all politicians' - his supporters somehow delude themselves into thinking he's better, his opponents see that while his ego and greed may be even more titanic than that of most politicians, he's not much like them in the sense that he has very little actual interest in how to run a country, nor does he feel any pressure to pretend he does.

View original postNot anymore. Biden pulled back the curtain. They are all the same. Some just write better ad copy.

They are not remotely all the same - and with rhetoric like that, you're just begging to just keep getting worse and worse politics. Just because the system will never be anything remotely resembling perfect doesn't mean you should cheerfully abandon any and all attempts to make it better.

In this particular case, now that Biden so shamelessly abused his pardon power and while we all knew Trump was going to abuse it massively anyway as soon as he was back in power, he's now motivated to do so even more, this could be a good moment for a bipartisan crackdown on the presidential pardon power - maybe it doesn't have to go completely, but clearly it needs to be limited.

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No Fucks Left to Give Joe tosses Hunter a blanket pardon - 02/12/2024 09:23:33 PM 639 Views
I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. - 03/12/2024 12:53:15 PM 444 Views
I don't agree with that - it would've been a serious issue still. - 03/12/2024 05:56:18 PM 374 Views
How about this? - 04/12/2024 03:43:52 AM 355 Views
Fully agree. *NM* - 04/12/2024 06:40:15 AM 168 Views
I don't believe he'd been sentenced for those crimes, yet, had he? - 04/12/2024 07:14:04 AM 376 Views
Per 'old news', his sentencing dates were Dec 12 for the gun charge and 16 for tax evasion - 04/12/2024 01:30:11 PM 361 Views
In that case, yes, your solution is a good one. - 04/12/2024 03:58:32 PM 388 Views
Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. - 04/12/2024 07:18:56 AM 386 Views
Re: Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. - 04/12/2024 02:07:41 PM 396 Views
Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM 421 Views
I respectfully disagree. - 04/12/2024 11:09:07 PM 322 Views
Seems like we're kind of talking past each other here. - 05/12/2024 11:39:02 PM 372 Views
Trump had quite a few successes in his first term - 06/12/2024 02:45:32 PM 452 Views
You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. - 06/12/2024 10:12:25 PM 387 Views
No, I mean him. *NM* - 07/12/2024 12:38:27 AM 268 Views
Okay, then I guess we're not debating it, as you like. *NM* - 07/12/2024 08:54:03 AM 225 Views
The achievements of the administration are attributed to the President. - 08/12/2024 10:50:43 AM 434 Views
Some people also think the earth is flat. - 08/12/2024 06:29:37 PM 377 Views
Le sigh - 08/12/2024 09:03:01 PM 430 Views
Make up your mind already. - 08/12/2024 10:30:11 PM 397 Views
I mostly agree, with one giant caveat - 05/12/2024 02:56:02 PM 426 Views
Re: I mostly agree, with one giant caveat - 05/12/2024 03:49:00 PM 337 Views
I take a bit of umbrage at that assignment personally - 06/12/2024 12:37:40 AM 419 Views
We've been over this - some of this is true, some is, at a minimum, not proven that I ever saw. - 05/12/2024 11:18:24 PM 342 Views
I know it was factually true - 06/12/2024 12:46:44 AM 450 Views
Sounds like you need to become a whistleblower and go talk to the FBI yourself, then? - 06/12/2024 11:37:00 AM 354 Views
Typically, whistle blower and attorney client privilege are not viewed as compatible. - 06/12/2024 03:57:12 PM 334 Views
I have a clearance - 06/12/2024 05:01:07 PM 386 Views
Re: I have a clearance - 06/12/2024 08:08:50 PM 363 Views
Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed - 07/12/2024 09:31:10 PM 371 Views
Re: Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed - 08/12/2024 03:46:54 PM 369 Views
Seriously? - 06/12/2024 10:28:07 PM 434 Views
Re: Seriously? - 06/12/2024 11:33:59 PM 455 Views
Did you even read that earlier post? - 07/12/2024 08:53:15 AM 427 Views
I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM 366 Views
I guess you kinda have to with your profession. - 07/12/2024 07:46:01 PM 383 Views
Re: I guess you kinda have to with your profession. - 07/12/2024 08:07:28 PM 365 Views
See my other reply above then. *NM* - 07/12/2024 09:43:37 PM 226 Views
You're CLEARLY a Harris plant - 06/12/2024 01:07:07 AM 375 Views
Hah, you got me! - 06/12/2024 11:49:19 AM 360 Views
I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore - 06/12/2024 01:24:44 AM 381 Views
Re: I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore - 06/12/2024 01:47:08 AM 437 Views

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