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In both of those cases, though, at least you provided support to the defender in a war. Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/03/2025 07:00:04 PM

View original postI view what the Biden Administration has done propping up the Ukrainians as being remarkably similar to what Roosevelt achieved via Lend Lease. We ship out the currently unused inventory in our stockpile, then get the economic benefit of ramping up production at our defense contractors to replace it with newer stock. Meanwhile, in addition to exporting military vehicles and munitions, we also export the horrors and suffering of war. No American soldiers are dying. No American land is suffering the environmental catastrophe of constant battle. Just like with Lend Lease, the side that otherwise would have been quickly overrun is kept in the fray, inflicting losses on our perceived common enemy and providing us valuable military intelligence, while we sit comfortably thousands of miles away and spout worthless nonsense like, We Stand With Ukraine!

There are many more examples of the US supplying arms for, shall we say, rather less morally defensible purposes. Like in the Iran-Iraq war where the US ultimately supplied weapons to both sides in the war so they'd kill as many of each other as possible, or all the horrors the Saudis and/or Emiratis have been inflicting in Yemen and Sudan with American weaponry. Or in pre-revolutionary Iran where US support enabled the shah to send his critics to his torture chambers.

It can be justified and moral to supply arms to foreign countries even while keeping your own soldiers out of it, it depends on what they're going to use them for - and whether you're also supplying the other side at the same time.

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This reads like a Jeremy Strong character running for minor office *NM* - 14/03/2025 10:54:47 AM 226 Views
I guess I should reply also here. - 11/03/2025 11:21:16 PM 554 Views
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Ok, I can answer also from a wider long term perspective. - 14/03/2025 08:05:10 AM 532 Views
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You’re probably right about that. - 18/03/2025 04:50:24 AM 572 Views
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