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That idea is actually very plausible. However... Gher Send a noteboard - 27/04/2010 09:57:46 PM
Of course, it might be that Isaac was waiting on White Flame for the sake of completion, and it was actually White Flame who was targeted.

Anyway, I'm not happy that we'd allow Yunalesca to have such a poor performance record just because it seems unlikely there would be two Darkfriends in the mason group. Sure, it's true, but at the same time if Isaac really wanted to hide a Darkfriend, where better than somewhere we'd expect to be already purged? I just don't know if Isaac decided to be that sneaky.

What's also interesting to note is that Bergioyn was killed by the Darkfriends immediately after Fox and Ravens' death. This could be one of two things, either Fox and Ravens and Yunalesca were both Darkfriends, and killing Bergioyn allowed the Shadow to maintain a majority vote over the Saldaean night kill, or the Darkfriends trusted Fox and Ravens to keep the Saldaeans operating in the desired direction, and with Fox dead they decided to act to remove the threatening vigilante night kill.

I think it makes more sense for Yuna as an SK.

Think about this: Isaac puts 3 people with 3 different win conditions in a group and gives them a collective kill (of course, none of them know this). The last person alive basically turns into either a vig, SK, or second DF kill. I think it's pretty genius :D

Also, about your first point - check the Mod updates post. I think it's the third update down the list, but Isaac mentions that it was a pretty important night action and had significant effects. If White Flame was targeted directly, then either he would have died, or someone he switched with would have died (not sure which). But if it's the former, then I don't think WF's action would have been important.



If she's a vigilante, we control a second lynch. Awesome!

If she's a SK, we still control the second lynch, with the possibility of her turning on us. She's unlikely to though, because the minute she kills someone other than our agreed upon target, she is lynched, and if she's an SK, she loses the game at that point.

If she's a DF, then we don't really control the lynch. She'll go along with whoever we decide to kill at night, until we actually pick a DF. Then her and her buddies will decide who needs to die, she'll kill another townie, and we'll lynch her the next day.

I think it is very unlikely that she is a DF. I know, that right there is a perfect reason for Isaac to make her a DF. WIFOM indeed. But it just seems unfair to Bergioyn, who we know is good.

Your scenario is much more likely, and cool. A Night Kill that is up for grabs among three factions. However, now that we know about it, we control it.

IMO, we should let her live through the Day, and give her a Night Target. Maybe the DFs hit her Tonight, but then, we haven't wasted a lynch, and they have to use their Night Kill on her. As an added precaution, we should encourage the Amulet Wearer (if they are Town) to watch her tonight, and we can see if she's a DF or not. If she isn't, then there's always the possibility that she's a SK, and we'll have to watch her if the DFs don't kill her. If she is, we lynch.
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Yeesh. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:00:15 AM 1226 Views
There is a hint that there are multiple Aes Sedai BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:13:59 AM 1189 Views
Anyone who he knew was an Aes Sedai. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:27:58 AM 1036 Views
Oh, that's true. Well, still a hint there are multiple Aes Sedai. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:30:40 AM 1018 Views
Not necessarily. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:03:03 AM 1196 Views
What makes you think Male Channeler? Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:10:20 AM 1113 Views
Well, I was a male wilder in Isaac's last game... Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:13:59 AM 1068 Views
Hm. Well, OK. This told us a lot. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:09:30 AM 1168 Views
Off to See How to Train Your Dragon- I expect big things when I return! *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:14:36 AM 648 Views
Oh, and: The Salds are, of cours, Yunalesca and one other person, I'm guessing beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:15:55 AM 1247 Views
Yunalesa is the only other claimed Saldaean BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:22:27 AM 1078 Views
Eh, they're Masons beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:40:20 AM 1080 Views
Makes them prime NK targets. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:44:15 AM 1129 Views
Oh. Obviously. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:59 AM 1205 Views
Origin chart beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:13:43 AM 1054 Views
Also, regarding the Chair role BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:27:43 AM 1216 Views
Someone has a double vote? ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:47:11 AM 1183 Views
Yes, at the end of yesterday BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:33:32 AM 1249 Views
You're forgetting a couple ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:37:59 AM 1061 Views
Re: You're forgetting a couple BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:40:24 AM 1017 Views
Thanks, I stand corrected. *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:47:34 AM 625 Views
BlackAdder is correct, with a minor correlary beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:46:29 AM 1162 Views
Why not Talic? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:08:14 AM 656 Views
Eh. Newbie Tinker from the White Tower beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:28:30 AM 1147 Views
Roles are distributed randomly. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:32:59 AM 618 Views
Sez who? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:36:20 AM 1107 Views
Yes. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:55:42 AM 637 Views
Er... where? I just searched, but maybe I'm missing something beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:06:44 AM 1141 Views
He said it in the first game he modded, which I think is lost to Wotmania. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:21:18 AM 1060 Views
Mmm. OK, it's possible. I remain unconvinced, though- we'll ask Isaac after the game ends *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:43:37 AM 692 Views
I think randomizing roles is pretty standard Mod practice. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:55:35 PM 1172 Views
Random with a Caveat Isaac - 26/04/2010 03:43:29 PM 1074 Views
OK, that makes sense beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:11:57 PM 1184 Views
Well, I usually don't have much to say Talic - 26/04/2010 05:37:18 PM 1164 Views
I disagree. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:48:24 AM 1163 Views
Why would Shienarans have political clout? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:16:16 AM 1243 Views
We're in Shienar, aren't we? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:55 AM 1095 Views
Saldaea. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:19:19 AM 1079 Views
Dammit. Hm. Well, I suppose that does make him less likely, though not impossible beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:25:30 AM 1141 Views
You can't change your vote anyway. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:30:56 PM 647 Views
Oh, right. Well, OK. Everyone: Vote beetnemesis for Chair! A vote for beet is a vote for... um beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:39:15 PM 1133 Views
Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:19:34 PM 1131 Views
Re: Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:29:35 PM 1137 Views
Same benefit as every other Day. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:08:59 AM 1083 Views
No way should you get triple voting powers BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:29:06 AM 1045 Views
I do object ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:43:34 AM 1068 Views
Sure, you can have it too . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:17:16 AM 1071 Views
Well, kinda... ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:03:47 AM 1227 Views
That's true. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:20:17 AM 939 Views
Also, the circumstances are different BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:48:07 AM 1084 Views
You should say doubly suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:18:50 AM 1178 Views
Yeah, No. Chair Vote: beetnemesis beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:48:44 AM 1117 Views
Huh. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:22:29 AM 1010 Views
Mod clarification BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:37:52 AM 1082 Views
I doubt it. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:39:16 AM 1071 Views
Re: I doubt it. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:24:27 AM 829 Views
EBWOP: i.e. literally means "that is" BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:43:32 AM 1105 Views
Well, I think you're misunderstanding. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:57:55 AM 996 Views
Yeah, likely means "Kill a DF at Night" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:36 AM 1033 Views
No, he's right. 'Id est' is specification, not an example. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:27:54 AM 1063 Views
Yeah, that makes me nervous too. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 02:46:19 AM 1129 Views
Probably he just copy-pasted from Fox's role message . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:09:44 AM 1021 Views
It's my understanding that the Mod almighty does not make mistakes *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:44:43 AM 981 Views
He does, not many thankfully, which requires a lot of triple-checking Isaac - 26/04/2010 04:10:17 AM 1143 Views
Wait, so you're saying that wasn't a mistake? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:26:15 AM 1211 Views
Isaac's changed it to "e.g." Berg. could not vote with the Darkfriends. *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:30:25 PM 538 Views
It looks like it has been corrected BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:33:56 PM 1090 Views
Ah, okay. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:23:52 PM 1123 Views
my thoughts from last night ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:43:32 AM 1141 Views
Eh, just to change it from F-T: Chair Vote: ranagrande. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:56:15 AM 621 Views
I'm going to second this Talic - 26/04/2010 05:50:14 PM 1184 Views
some thoughts on the double NK fistofpainx - 26/04/2010 03:04:29 AM 1168 Views
Re: some thoughts on the double NK BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:09:00 AM 1096 Views
Yeah, I don't think who ever's making the extra kills is pro-town. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:15:12 AM 981 Views
Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:20:48 AM 1071 Views
Re: Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:55:00 AM 1036 Views
Well to be fair Talic - 26/04/2010 05:48:10 PM 1110 Views
Yuna (and George) didn't vote for Fox because they were part of the Saldaean Group. Others may be DF beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 AM 1216 Views
Well, I am not a Saldaean and I am not a DF either. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:54:48 PM 1036 Views
Fox wasn't George because he had already claimed to be Saldean beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:28:38 PM 1036 Views
Why just me and Katie? Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 01:13:40 PM 1093 Views
It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:34:11 PM 974 Views
Re: It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:49:37 PM 1140 Views
Something else: fistofpainx and BlackAdder are very likely innocent beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:38 AM 1065 Views
I think we have a decent shot at finding George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:41:40 PM 1095 Views
True- I meant "Innocent" as in "Not a DF" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:53:13 PM 1097 Views
Hypocop Table- Night 2 [Table] beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:42:46 AM 1127 Views
I found ranagrande to be Innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:43:11 AM 682 Views
I found Darth_Katie to be guilty *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:04:45 AM 623 Views
Gher, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:48:47 PM 634 Views
i found Fanatic-Templar to be innocent *NM* Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:34:33 PM 647 Views
I found Darth Katie to be innocent. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:49:40 PM 622 Views
Found Gher innocent *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:43:06 PM 672 Views
I found Gher to be Innocent *NM* Talic - 26/04/2010 05:51:53 PM 637 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 05:56:39 PM 640 Views
Really? The dead guy? Some cop you are *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:07:04 PM 607 Views
The cop wouldn't have known last Night that White Flame would end up dead. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:16:05 PM 1195 Views
Also, dead guys probably have a slightly higher chance of being hypocopped. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:22:59 PM 1112 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:30:43 PM 623 Views
Amys- Innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 04:38:05 AM 676 Views
Fanatic-Templar- Innocent *NM* Amys - 29/04/2010 05:37:29 AM 599 Views
BlackAdder Innocent *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:35:47 PM 638 Views
kay so, here's what i know Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:42:19 PM 979 Views
What was your group decision? *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:36:58 PM 559 Views
That is... incredibly disappointing. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:25 PM 1081 Views
My thoughts RE: George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:28:19 PM 1471 Views
right, everything i know then Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 08:49:17 PM 1092 Views
so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 08:56:45 PM 624 Views
Re: so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:20:41 PM 1205 Views
And who did the actual killing? *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 09:32:00 PM 618 Views
Re: And who did the actual killing? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:38:39 PM 1001 Views
So you can both channel? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 09:43:44 PM 1167 Views
i can't channel Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:49:54 PM 1033 Views
*NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:01:40 PM 663 Views
lol! *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:46 PM 577 Views
Hmm BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:14:06 PM 1230 Views
i can't tell you the spesifics but Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:23:44 PM 1275 Views
And probably the sa'sara. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 10:31:31 PM 686 Views
No real reasons for killing Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:01:37 AM 1129 Views
EBWOP: There was supposed to be a question mark on that title. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:21:45 AM 620 Views
it was the first night Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:03:03 PM 1005 Views
Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:14:03 PM 1215 Views
Re: Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:21 PM 1127 Views
Yes, it really does matter beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:22:10 PM 1039 Views
As a matter of fact... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:46:01 PM 1091 Views
EBWOP: Notice how what Isaac says doesn't mean Fox was telling the truth about not being George. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:47:32 PM 629 Views
Ah! Thanks. That was bugging me. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:52:37 PM 1119 Views
But there's not much we can do about it right now. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:49:50 PM 1113 Views
I remain suspicious of you. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:44:59 PM 1144 Views
To be fair... people ALWAYS kill Hobo beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:54:14 PM 1159 Views
It sure seems to be the case. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:56:54 PM 1158 Views
I'd rather not discount warranted suspicions because someone can offer plausible justification. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 01:02:50 AM 1057 Views
OK, I believe it BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:11:19 PM 1054 Views
Why did neither you nor Bergioyn speak up when Fox claimed vanilla? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 01:41:35 AM 654 Views
Actually, that's a very good question. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 02:42:36 AM 668 Views
i don't know why Ber didn't Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:10:47 PM 1223 Views
Well, you knew he was lying, then. Why not vote him? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:09:55 PM 640 Views
because i thought he was simply lying about being a mason Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 08:27:00 PM 1142 Views
It would have been dumb of you to lynch a known liar? Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 08:32:15 PM 1233 Views
oh come on! Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 10:38:35 PM 1155 Views
The first night message I sent him... Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:15:29 AM 1024 Views
Wrong game Isaac - 29/04/2010 07:25:23 AM 1184 Views
Oh right, that was Darth_Katie's game. Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:40:23 AM 1034 Views
Oh... was I... a servant of some kind? Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:42:58 AM 1026 Views
He was also lying about being a 'vigilante' BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:28:58 PM 1201 Views
She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:40:24 PM 1223 Views
Re: She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:51:44 PM 1091 Views
Hobo also didn't vote or claim for Blaine. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:59:32 PM 1063 Views
I, for one, STRONGLY doubt that Yuna is a DF beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:27:25 PM 1070 Views
I also don't think she is in league with Fox et al. BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:00:56 AM 1175 Views
The same thing happened with Blaine, though beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:51:53 AM 1214 Views
I'll venture a guess as to what happened... ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:34:50 AM 1038 Views
Re: I'll venture a guess as to what happened... Talic - 28/04/2010 03:04:43 AM 1030 Views
Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:59:12 AM 963 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:26:43 PM 1033 Views
EBWOP - Arguing against my own point BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:35:46 PM 1232 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters Talic - 28/04/2010 04:47:56 PM 1108 Views
Do you know the specifics of how White Flame's power worked? *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 05:08:18 PM 582 Views
Nope =/ *NM* Talic - 28/04/2010 06:15:40 PM 648 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 06:11:27 PM 1124 Views
Yes, I would. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:21:19 AM 1037 Views
just for the record, that was Blaine *NM* ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:45:52 PM 659 Views
Ah, thanks. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:44:05 PM 640 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Gher - 26/04/2010 05:59:16 PM 1003 Views
Re: Advocate Vote: Gher BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:09:50 PM 1042 Views
Vote for Ranagrande for Chair Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:36:04 PM 1103 Views
LOL, thought you were trying to change votes Isaac - 26/04/2010 06:57:20 PM 1169 Views
Sorry . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:36:24 PM 1083 Views
Chair Vote: Beetnemesis Gher - 26/04/2010 10:55:03 PM 1095 Views
A few questions: Gher - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 PM 1132 Views
Re: A few questions: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:37:58 PM 1283 Views
Honestly, it's because I wasn't convinced. Isaac's deadline forced my hand beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:24 PM 1023 Views
I didn't see Fox as all that suspicious. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 08:36:44 PM 1094 Views
You and your deontological ethics . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 09:40:10 PM 663 Views
eh? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:42:30 PM 1224 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:41:42 PM 1022 Views
Re: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:53:33 PM 1067 Views
And you were willing to risk a no-lynch? Gher - 26/04/2010 10:46:31 PM 1111 Views
I honestly did not think that far ahead. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:59:40 AM 1187 Views
But you didn't offer any real alternatives, or try and persuade us to leave Fox alone. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:05:44 AM 1076 Views
I stuck to my principles, and that's that. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:30:36 PM 1048 Views
Because killing is good for the town ranagrande - 27/04/2010 04:55:54 PM 1044 Views
The question was rhetorical. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 05:05:18 PM 1103 Views
F-T killed him for science ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:21:07 PM 1133 Views
Yes, my angle came only midway through that lynch. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:26:43 PM 1172 Views
To me it looks like you just waited for the deadline. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:52:37 PM 1106 Views
"I honestly did not think that far ahead." <-------- This is pretty much the same excuse Fox used. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:57:34 PM 1017 Views
I've answered this multiple times. I'm not going to bother again. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 06:14:29 PM 1114 Views
Your answer just doesn't jive. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:01:24 AM 1059 Views
What do you want me to say? Kronin al'Sulc - 28/04/2010 02:22:02 AM 1095 Views
All right. *NM* Gher - 28/04/2010 02:30:33 AM 628 Views
. . . . Amys - 26/04/2010 10:20:09 PM 1215 Views
A Vigilante is a Serial Killer that only tries to kill DFs beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:27:04 PM 1178 Views
Isn't a vig protown? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:34:59 PM 1073 Views
You know, I'm not sure. Can the town win with the SK still alive? *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:40:36 PM 642 Views
it dosen't look like it Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:44:34 PM 1180 Views
No. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:44:35 PM 1199 Views
They win with town, but they're not always good for the town. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 10:43:15 PM 597 Views
All right. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:51:42 PM 1106 Views
Re: All right. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:58:44 PM 984 Views
I think it's meant to be ambiguous. Gher - 26/04/2010 11:00:19 PM 1167 Views
Re: I think it's meant to be ambiguous. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:04:36 PM 1160 Views
I will second that comment. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:04:02 AM 1155 Views
to be perfectly honest fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:02:07 AM 1193 Views
Well of course! If people don't vote, a lynch isn't going to happen. *NM* Gher - 27/04/2010 05:07:32 AM 635 Views
So, what next? ranagrande - 27/04/2010 12:00:10 AM 1127 Views
well, I'll show my hand if you show yours *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:03:56 AM 645 Views
Hold off, for now. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:06:47 AM 1116 Views
Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:02:50 AM 1092 Views
Re: Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:01:12 AM 1164 Views
Yeah, but again, so what? Gher - 28/04/2010 02:00:29 AM 1003 Views
I just realized something... ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:57:37 PM 1080 Views
Hm. He could've been protecting someone else last night as well beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:42:27 PM 1134 Views
Wow, spot on BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:06:36 PM 1109 Views
Interesting angle. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:47:28 PM 1089 Views
Re: Interesting angle. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:24:42 PM 1102 Views
That idea is actually very plausible. However... Gher - 27/04/2010 09:57:46 PM 1057 Views
I could sign up for this plan... BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:03:23 AM 1178 Views
Yeah. That's not half bad, actually. *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:52:58 AM 600 Views
Fine. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:31:11 AM 1004 Views
I don't like it either, to tell the truth. Gher - 28/04/2010 04:33:50 AM 961 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:35:43 PM 1011 Views
EBWOP: double post and location Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:23:10 PM 1000 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:39:07 PM 1098 Views
I have no idea what's going on with George. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:21:16 PM 1101 Views
If you don't mind me saying... Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:51:19 PM 1006 Views
Ahhhhh, nice catch beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 07:28:03 PM 1114 Views
Re: If you don't mind me saying... Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:20:31 PM 1091 Views
I don't think he's a commoner BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:35:35 AM 1019 Views
Berg was likely killed because Fox was lynched beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:34:04 PM 1126 Views
Again, I say! Vote for beetnemesis- and maybe we'll get an Event! beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:46:12 PM 1131 Views
You might want to specify that you're asking for a Chair vote. Gher - 27/04/2010 07:04:27 PM 1055 Views
Ahem. Right. CHAIR Vote for me! beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:53:14 AM 1064 Views
I want to plug this one more time. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:09:52 AM 1147 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:46:14 AM 1016 Views
It's the thought that counts. Well, sort of. beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 01:48:56 AM 1039 Views
In my defense, you are anti-vegetable *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:59:25 AM 610 Views
Also, worst-case scenario... Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 02:40:50 AM 1101 Views
The Event will be that Gher and I magnify each others' power and become as unto GODS beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:37:42 AM 1064 Views
But yeah, I think I need one more vote- hey, quiet types! Chair Vote me! beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:40:38 AM 1179 Views
I'm starting to like this idea a lot too ranagrande - 29/04/2010 02:26:28 AM 1068 Views
So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:59:04 PM 1061 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:17:16 PM 1017 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? Talic - 27/04/2010 11:50:06 PM 1113 Views
She's RBIRL Isaac - 27/04/2010 07:31:21 PM 1089 Views
Good to know... but doesn't exactly change things beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:35:30 PM 1085 Views
You may have noticed Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:23:44 AM 1073 Views
My point was more that we know nothing about you beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:51:00 AM 1089 Views
Yunalesca: Gher - 28/04/2010 01:58:28 AM 1132 Views
Fox couldn't have been behind killing White Flame ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:19:19 AM 1104 Views
Yeah, my bad. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:22:46 AM 1144 Views
Also: Gher - 28/04/2010 02:29:29 AM 968 Views
yes to several *NM* Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:25:56 AM 617 Views
EBWOP Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:27:53 AM 1056 Views
More questions: Gher - 28/04/2010 03:52:20 PM 1165 Views
Re: More answers Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 07:40:27 PM 1091 Views
You still haven't answered the most important one. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:06:47 AM 1114 Views
Re: You still haven't answered the most important one. Yunalesca - 29/04/2010 11:33:48 AM 1093 Views
That's good to know ranagrande - 29/04/2010 03:12:48 PM 1129 Views
RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:30:26 AM 1149 Views
Re: RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Fox and Ravens - 28/04/2010 05:54:54 AM 1169 Views
Oh, Amys and Artsapat- hypocop, please beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 07:43:38 AM 1142 Views
RBIRL BlackAdder - 29/04/2010 08:46:11 PM 1126 Views
about the mass roleclaim ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:31:59 PM 1149 Views
Guys! 5 minutes left! beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 01:55:36 AM 1125 Views
Goes to first one voted for. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 02:00:33 AM 636 Views
Re: Guys! 5 minutes left! Isaac - 30/04/2010 03:44:40 AM 1118 Views
Looks right to me. Oh, well. At least now I can start accusing people beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 04:34:51 AM 1124 Views
Random Values needed, C-11 thanks Isaac - 30/04/2010 04:36:26 AM 1052 Views
C *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 04:43:47 AM 605 Views
11 *NM* Talic - 30/04/2010 05:46:13 AM 590 Views
Event: Lunch Interlude Day 3 Isaac - 30/04/2010 08:37:51 PM 1063 Views
So, just so I'm sure I'm reading this right... beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:18:48 PM 1062 Views
So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:24:56 PM 1125 Views
I think you're right about Artsapat ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:44:24 PM 1102 Views
...that's right, I'd forgotten about that. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:09:28 PM 1048 Views
You know, looking at your summary post.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/05/2010 04:56:38 PM 1103 Views
Re: So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:32:54 PM 1077 Views
EBWOP: I just saw that Black DID hypocop Today. I missed it when I glanced up. *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:36:56 PM 639 Views
Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:26:52 PM 988 Views
Re: Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? Yunalesca - 30/04/2010 10:52:27 PM 1031 Views
by the way fistofpainx - 02/05/2010 06:32:44 AM 1083 Views
it should be obvious Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 06:40:32 PM 1284 Views
Re: it should be obvious Amys - 02/05/2010 07:12:44 PM 1149 Views
Re: it should be obvious Artsapat - 02/05/2010 07:31:47 PM 1000 Views
once again Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:41:56 PM 1052 Views
RBIRL Gher - 01/05/2010 03:46:59 PM 1111 Views
Yeah!! Go Jazz!! *NM* Hobo - 01/05/2010 09:49:49 PM 663 Views
Before we lynch anyone today Gher - 02/05/2010 09:57:25 PM 1186 Views
thats fine with me *NM* Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:27:31 PM 644 Views
I suggest lynch Artsapat, NK Darth Katie *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 12:45:45 AM 610 Views
I support this plan. ranagrande - 03/05/2010 02:59:11 AM 1049 Views
That's fine, but it might be wise to take contingencies into account. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 03:02:10 AM 1002 Views
Any suggestions? I can't see any contingencies for lynching Arty *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 03:42:06 AM 564 Views
Definitely Gher - 03/05/2010 05:07:02 AM 1191 Views
Why do you think mass roleclaiming is a good idea? beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 05:43:34 AM 1056 Views
I don't. Gher - 03/05/2010 04:23:14 PM 1082 Views
Sounds like a good idea to me. BlackAdder - 03/05/2010 03:23:21 PM 1030 Views
I usually disagree with mass rolelcaims on principle. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:16:58 PM 1052 Views
Quick RP Mafia Note Isaac - 03/05/2010 03:00:14 AM 963 Views
Right, so Artsapat: beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 04:50:04 PM 1022 Views
I still have no idea why we're supposed to trust Yunalesca now. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:17:39 PM 602 Views
Pretty much everything we've seen has confirmed her claims. beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 08:39:16 PM 1111 Views
None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 09:08:13 PM 1136 Views
Hm. We could all hypocop her tomorrow? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:43:13 AM 1230 Views
Re: None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:12:16 PM 1138 Views
Not to mention that it's common for Darkfriends to accuse each other to divert suspicion. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2010 09:23:14 PM 1149 Views
She'll need a darn good explanation if she "goes off target" Gher - 03/05/2010 09:09:53 PM 1039 Views
so what exactly makes artspat a good choice? fistofpainx - 04/05/2010 12:26:12 AM 1106 Views
Well, here's my summary: beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 02:00:16 AM 1132 Views
Come on, as I pointed out, the timing doesn't support that. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:44:37 AM 1214 Views
Basically, it's ALL part of the game beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:26:35 PM 1082 Views
All right, I'll come clean Artsapat - 04/05/2010 08:21:36 AM 1125 Views
Fabulous Amys - 04/05/2010 09:20:07 AM 1120 Views
Unvote ranagrande - 04/05/2010 01:02:27 PM 1147 Views
You couldn't have seen him dozing in a chair in his room. He spent the Night in Talic's room. Gher - 04/05/2010 03:38:40 PM 1076 Views
No idea about the timing of my Night message. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 03:52:26 PM 1104 Views
How long were you outside White Flame's window? *NM* Gher - 04/05/2010 05:09:24 PM 627 Views
No idea. Sorry Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:49:36 PM 1053 Views
Re: No idea. Sorry BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:34:41 PM 1175 Views
...This is kind of weird beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 01:58:26 AM 1000 Views
I am inclined to agree. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 02:20:26 AM 1086 Views
He said he saw Bergioyn do it, unless I completely misread what he wrote. BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:47:02 AM 1027 Views
Nope- you misread. Both Arty and Lunch #3 tell us that the Watcher didn't see the killer beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:26:25 AM 1037 Views
The thing that makes me suspicious: Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:02:27 PM 1114 Views
That's true... Hey! Did anyone else Watch White Flame (or track Berg)? If so, we could use your help beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:31:05 PM 1101 Views
Re: ...This is kind of weird Artsapat - 05/05/2010 11:31:47 AM 1144 Views
So... you're saying that you heard Bergioyn die, just as he killed White Flame? *NM* beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:27:32 PM 608 Views
Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:29:36 PM 1024 Views
Re: Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message Yunalesca - 06/05/2010 12:16:16 AM 1182 Views
Well, tbh, even that was stated by Isaac in the opening scene *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:38:45 PM 631 Views
^^^btw, that post is not actually an *NM* but I can't edit it *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:40:35 PM 601 Views
This was basically what I was getting at beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 11:36:07 PM 1075 Views
Re: This was basically what I was getting at BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 12:06:52 AM 1132 Views
According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... Gher - 06/05/2010 02:34:41 AM 1108 Views
Re: According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:41:18 AM 1004 Views
Or whomever found White Flame. Gher - 06/05/2010 04:22:20 AM 1023 Views
Interesting. Unvote, for now beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:42:18 PM 1044 Views
Re: Interesting. Unvote, for now BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:39:23 PM 1031 Views
I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:50:04 PM 1111 Views
Re: I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:59:35 PM 1067 Views
Job security... so who are you working for? ranagrande - 05/05/2010 12:15:23 AM 1130 Views
I am unable to do anything at all, every single night. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 01:36:57 AM 627 Views
So, are you claiming vanilla, then? Or Day Mason? *NM* Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:46:16 PM 630 Views
I'm not claiming anything. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 07:53:04 PM 1085 Views
I think there was a role last game Isaac hosted that couldn't use their powers on consecutive nights Gher - 05/05/2010 01:47:38 AM 1035 Views
Re: All right, I'll come clean BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:30:29 PM 1086 Views
Some answers Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:43:49 PM 1318 Views
Vote: Artsapat ranagrande - 05/05/2010 02:08:06 PM 1100 Views
Re: Vote: Artsapat Artsapat - 05/05/2010 02:21:59 PM 1105 Views
Er... what evidence? You said that all you saw was White Flame was killed beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:22:03 PM 1096 Views
Re: Some answers BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:22:47 PM 1036 Views
You know, I don't like the details of your role... Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 03:26:20 AM 1002 Views
Hmmm. . . Amys - 04/05/2010 09:30:27 AM 1161 Views
So you do have a bite Artsapat - 04/05/2010 12:09:35 PM 1155 Views
Who doesn't? Amys - 04/05/2010 04:53:56 PM 1090 Views
Re: So you do have a bite BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:54:03 AM 1093 Views
Eh. Roles are good... but what have they gotten us so far? beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:30:23 AM 1022 Views
Yes, but having such a severe vote restriction, and no other powers as a townie, would suck. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:25:05 PM 610 Views
Isaac I'm just going to ignore Update 21 because it makes my head hurt *NM* beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:52:02 AM 592 Views
RBIRL - APs *sigh* Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:59:49 AM 1170 Views
RBIRL Yunalesca - 05/05/2010 04:19:43 PM 1051 Views
Ok, so Artsapat, your story isn't totally adding up beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 01:57:09 AM 1051 Views
Again... Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:02:49 AM 1112 Views
EBWOP: "The Lunch ISN'T backing him up." *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:03:45 AM 621 Views
Yeah this is what I'm thinking as well Talic - 06/05/2010 02:44:59 AM 1332 Views
Yeah, a Watcher role that doesn't actually get any results? Gher - 06/05/2010 02:38:11 AM 1095 Views
He's actually a Watcher/Tracker apparently. Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:44:20 AM 1093 Views
To all the people voting Artsapat BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:56:15 AM 1190 Views
^^^i.e., Amys, ranagrande, Talic, Kronin al'Sulc (I think that means L-2 with a VNTL of 6) *NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 04:02:23 AM 1067 Views
L-1, Ranagrande is Chair. Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:35:44 AM 1161 Views
Oh, well nevermind. Too late it seems. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:37:08 AM 583 Views
Yup, too late. BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:07:57 AM 1193 Views
So he's a Watcher/Tracker that doesn't actually get any results? How is that better? *NM* Gher - 06/05/2010 04:17:47 AM 624 Views
Eh. Sorry Arty, but the evidence has stacked up. Yuna, remember to kill DK beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 04:13:38 AM 1051 Views
Hold up. DK really? Gher - 06/05/2010 04:25:04 AM 1168 Views
DK has some negative points against her BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:17:42 AM 1140 Views
watcher that does not see fistofpainx - 06/05/2010 04:15:48 AM 1162 Views
Twilight - Artsapat has been Lynched Isaac - 06/05/2010 04:50:35 AM 1077 Views
Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Isaac - 06/05/2010 05:51:21 AM 1107 Views
Indeed. Gher - 06/05/2010 06:21:58 AM 1019 Views
Yeah, seriously. beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 06:31:57 AM 1083 Views
Re: Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Artsapat - 06/05/2010 07:17:12 AM 1081 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 07:22:40 AM 552 Views
Night Deadline extension Isaac - 06/05/2010 07:32:40 AM 1372 Views
RBIRL ranagrande - 06/05/2010 11:09:32 PM 1030 Views
Whoa you guys are still playing? Sweet. I totally forgot about this. *NM* Marshall - 07/05/2010 09:40:26 PM 772 Views
Oh hell yeah, man. Fox and Ravens - 07/05/2010 11:03:26 PM 1010 Views
Long time no see Isaac - 08/05/2010 01:35:23 PM 1176 Views
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