I see waiting for consensus being pointless, considering a big chunk of the people who spoke up on the matter essentially included a 'not it', so if Fox is lying, between the DK's disavowal, the HCT, and the various 'not its' the odds are the scum probably have only 1-3 people left to suspect, also there's good odds if he was lying the real cop would have backed the zipped-lip kill plan, so my bet is he isn't, and with that in mind we should probably proceed to have Beet claim rather than wait for total disavowal, since we have at least one RBIRL anyway.
With all that in mind, please respond Yes or No, without additional commentary for No and with optional, emphasis optional additional commentary for Yes.
Do you have any knowledge, gained from role, role message, or any secret source such as NB communication that you feel casts reasonable doubt on Fox and Raven's claim as Cop?
Response List
?
Beetnemesis
Darth_Katie
Fanatic-Templar
Fox and Ravens
Gher
Hobo
Isaac
ranagrande
Scott Blademaster
Stephen
Note: By 'reasonable' in the question that would include things like a clue that implied we didn't have a cop, being masoned to someone who implied they were the cop, getting back night messages strongly implying you were watched and you yourself are the tracker, or anything else of that sort, keeping in mind that with our dead including a miller the game is large enough to support another investigatory role, and also that with a dead vanilla as our other corpse, heavy role usage is currently counter-indicated. A tracker, as such, should probably answer No.
"I mean, if everyone had a soul, there would be no contrast by which we could appreciate it. For giving us this perspective, we thank you." - Nate
Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
- 05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
3135 Views
Well, I guess that's for the best.
- 05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
1287 Views
Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
- 05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
1300 Views
Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
- 05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
1188 Views
OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
- 06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
1179 Views
I am against this plan.
- 06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
1196 Views
I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
- 06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
1296 Views
Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
- 06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
1227 Views
Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
1244 Views
Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
1307 Views
Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
1201 Views
A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
- 07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
1217 Views
I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
- 07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
666 Views
Yes, just character *NM*
- 07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
731 Views
Ah, that's probably better.
- 07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
1296 Views
Well, if DK is RBIRL,
- 07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
1360 Views
I could
- 08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
1273 Views
Would you mind coding it beforehand?
- 08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
1330 Views
I agree. A code would be ideal here.
- 08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
1177 Views
Good idea. OK, here it is.
- 09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
1301 Views
When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
- 09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
1342 Views
Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
- 07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
1308 Views
Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
- 07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
1267 Views
Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
- 07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
1222 Views
Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
1126 Views
Re: Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
1223 Views
Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
- 10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
1134 Views
And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
- 10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
1105 Views
OK, and my decryption:
- 10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
1303 Views
Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
- 10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
1234 Views
Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
1167 Views
Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
1236 Views
Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
1189 Views
Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
1404 Views
Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
1206 Views
I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
- 11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
1231 Views
You can go ahead and do that.
- 11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
1259 Views
Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
1159 Views
Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
1248 Views
I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
- 12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
1218 Views
If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
- 12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
1073 Views
Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
1198 Views
I think Troy was in Asia
- 12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
1247 Views
Yes, it's in Anatolia.
- 12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
1238 Views
So I wikipediaed it.
- 12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
1210 Views
Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
1206 Views
- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
1206 Views
Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
- 12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
1151 Views
Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
1155 Views
I actually believe Katie.
- 11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
1185 Views
I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
- 11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
1228 Views
So...
- 11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
1378 Views
Re: So...
- 11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
1185 Views
Wait, we have that?
- 11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
1318 Views
- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
1151 Views
- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
1151 Views
Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
674 Views
One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
1164 Views
One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
1164 Views
Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
693 Views
. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
693 Views
Probably not
- 11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
1088 Views
I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
- 11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
1282 Views
My character claim.
- 12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
1238 Views
Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
- 12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
1169 Views
BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
- 12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
1241 Views
Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
- 12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
1192 Views
Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
1196 Views
Re: Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
1157 Views
Re: Not true this time.
- 13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
1162 Views
Pretty much that you're wrong
- 13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
1218 Views
I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
- 13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
1152 Views
I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
1174 Views
Re: I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
1297 Views
2 things about that.
- 12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
1143 Views
This is an easy misunderstanding.
- 13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
1145 Views
Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
- 15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
1103 Views
Yo.
- 15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
1244 Views
We seem to have reached an impasse
- 17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
1388 Views
Option Pick (Table)
- 17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
1235 Views
Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
- 18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
1178 Views
Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
- 19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
1241 Views
I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
1198 Views
Re: I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
1182 Views
It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
- 19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
1128 Views
I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
- 19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
708 Views
Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
- 19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
1412 Views
Even if he has been outed as the cop
- 19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
1117 Views
Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
- 19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
1118 Views
It also ties up their roleblocker though.
- 19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
1223 Views
The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
- 19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
1278 Views
Nevermind
- 19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
1271 Views
Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
- 19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
1178 Views
"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
1350 Views
- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
1350 Views
I guess we're going with disavowal (Table)
- 20/05/2011 03:54:11 AM
1310 Views
No. *NM*
- 20/05/2011 01:55:37 PM
621 Views
OK then, I'll RC
- 20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
1189 Views
Makes sense to me.
- 22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
1229 Views
I'm the cop.
- 22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
1307 Views
Well this was easier than expected.
- 22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
1203 Views
Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
- 23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
680 Views
Hmm...
- 23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
1290 Views
We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
- 23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
1362 Views
*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
- 23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
1165 Views
Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
- 23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
1072 Views
I can believe that at least
- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
1275 Views
- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
1275 Views
Oh please
- 23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
1270 Views
This would all be more believable
- 23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
1133 Views
I didn't remember that about Option B
- 23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
1221 Views
I will *Unvote* for now
- 23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
1292 Views
You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
- 23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
1203 Views
Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
- 23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
1168 Views
So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
- 23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
1207 Views
Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
- 23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
1171 Views
He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
- 23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
1319 Views
Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
- 23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
1211 Views
It's been an unmitigated disaster
- 23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
1160 Views
So, uh... Wow.
- 23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
1219 Views
Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
- 23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
1253 Views
All right...
- 23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
1343 Views
Possibly
- 23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
1220 Views
Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
- 23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
1204 Views
I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
1267 Views
Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
1172 Views
Another point against Isaac:
- 23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
1237 Views
Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
1250 Views
Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
1228 Views
So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
- 26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
1109 Views
Character Claims (table)
- 26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
1265 Views
Okay here goes.
- 26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
1098 Views
I'm Zeno. *NM*
- 27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
696 Views
How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
- 27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
1392 Views
I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
- 27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
1174 Views
All right
- 28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
1291 Views
Re: All right
- 29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
1417 Views
Re: All right
- 31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
1244 Views
Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
- 30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
1373 Views
Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
- 29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
1329 Views
Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
- 30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
1243 Views
Vote: Scott Blademaster
- 30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
1525 Views
While I generally agree with your reasoning...
- 31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
1376 Views
I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
1213 Views
Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
1210 Views
I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
1229 Views
Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
1356 Views
Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
1234 Views
Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
- 31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
1254 Views
So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
1362 Views
I'm a bit confused at the moment.
- 31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
1231 Views
Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
- 31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
1267 Views
I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
1295 Views
Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
1208 Views
Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
1170 Views
Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
1353 Views
Responses!
- 31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
1350 Views
Re: Responses!
- 01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
1154 Views
That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
- 01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
1130 Views
I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
- 01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
1413 Views
About ?
- 01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
1244 Views
Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
- 01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
1172 Views
It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
- 02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
666 Views
Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
- 02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
1151 Views
Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
- 31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
1251 Views
Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
- 31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
1257 Views
I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
- 01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
1303 Views
True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
1221 Views
Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
1269 Views
Hey, sorry all.
- 02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
1091 Views
No questions in particular
- 02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
1100 Views
Thoughts
- 02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
1297 Views
So couple of things:
- 02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
1227 Views
Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
- 03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
1178 Views
Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
- 03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
1215 Views
I will also Vote: ?
- 04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
1191 Views
Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
- 04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
612 Views
Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
1229 Views
Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
1227 Views
So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
- 03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
698 Views
I am ?'s Mason Partner.
- 04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
1268 Views
I am itching to vote for him right now.
- 04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
1169 Views
That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
- 04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
690 Views
In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
- 04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
1293 Views
I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
- 04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
1261 Views
I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
- 04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
1142 Views
Vote: ?
- 05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
1239 Views
I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
- 05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
1195 Views
Twilight
- 05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
1243 Views
Re: Twilight
- 05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
1174 Views
Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
- 05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
665 Views
I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
- 06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
701 Views
I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
- 06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
627 Views

*NM*