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and follow that to the logical conclusion... Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/11/2011 08:40:43 PM
Considering we all had the same poem, I'd say it's very likely that all vanillas have the same role message. That means that all vanilla townies would have the same value to your question.


Were such the case, they'd be the only ones to know that, and with them all using different letters and values, they could confirm it very easily, by the way I'm not claiming or disclaiming to be vanilla myself, were I vanilla I'd have been able to check it quite easily of any one or two people, were I not I could prod someone to 'look closer' so to speak. Though the truth is, I had something else foremost on my mind, which I may speak of later or post game.

So if we had four 6s, three -2s, a 5 and a 4, that pretty obviously telegraphs 4 townies, three mafia, a doc and a cop.

Unless I'm somehow misreading this?


If the vanilla were able to self-identify each other like that, I could really care less if they en masse lynched anyone not vanilla, but they'd hardly need it to come to that since everyone has already RC'd in code, and odds are the fakes will stick out like a sore thumb. Odds are our scum either fake claimed as vanilla or faked claimed roles, and while the roleless PM's could give a cop or doc claim mid to late game a very high chance of success, I doubt they will, especially since I roared so loudly about doing a blitz beforehand. No, they'll have gone for vanilla or picked less common roles, had we been able to proceed with this technique and the vanilla had identical RM's they'd just have to pick out the people who couldn't prove RM equivalence who were vanilla and apply some common sense and attrition to the roled claimants. FT presumably stepped on this so quick either on general principle or because there are a lot of players with identical RMs, I'd bet the latter.

(I realize it's moot, but I still like discussing Mafia strategies, so...)


Being scum a lot during a series of games tends to do that to you, I pretty much have always thought in mafia mode, handy but it carries its own troubles :P
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Game 24, Day 2 - Game has ended - 06/11/2011 06:04:27 PM 1276 Views
I'm actually a bit surprised by the choice of ? - 06/11/2011 07:34:57 PM 1141 Views
Yes, it was an oversight. He was a townie. *NM* - 06/11/2011 08:01:11 PM 472 Views
Voting record: - 07/11/2011 05:25:40 PM 1041 Views
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I think a second look at our poetry is in order too, now we have more of it - 07/11/2011 12:43:21 AM 971 Views
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I object to this plan. - 07/11/2011 02:07:35 AM 886 Views
UM UM UM ALERT ALERT ALERT - 07/11/2011 02:59:27 PM 777 Views
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Wait, would everyone be picking their own two letters? Ah, ok, it's not as dangerous as I thought - 07/11/2011 08:20:32 PM 812 Views
Yes *NM* - 07/11/2011 08:41:04 PM 463 Views
and follow that to the logical conclusion... - 07/11/2011 08:40:43 PM 1066 Views
no *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:19:20 PM 498 Views
FT already banned it *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:20:45 PM 456 Views
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Besides the ban, I can't see why you'd object - 07/11/2011 06:44:14 PM 844 Views
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? will be replacing Kronin... - 07/11/2011 01:56:08 AM 854 Views
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? can't decode Kronin's RC, and he wouldn't be allowed to give his own - 07/11/2011 08:45:50 PM 912 Views
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Ignore the *NM* *NM* - 07/11/2011 06:43:16 PM 437 Views
doubly so... - 07/11/2011 06:49:05 PM 1000 Views
out of what? *NM* - 07/11/2011 07:51:06 PM 431 Views
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OK, Unvote - 09/11/2011 11:23:35 PM 778 Views
decoding: - 09/11/2011 11:22:31 PM 914 Views
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Okay I confirm your decode then - 10/11/2011 12:16:22 AM 858 Views
... *NM* - 10/11/2011 01:59:58 PM 540 Views
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there is something really fishy going on... *NM* - 09/11/2011 11:34:09 PM 446 Views
what? - 09/11/2011 11:32:45 PM 701 Views
Re: what? - 09/11/2011 11:34:16 PM 746 Views
Actually, there's a strong chance neither is lying - 09/11/2011 11:53:35 PM 1065 Views
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EBWOP again - 10/11/2011 01:44:04 AM 708 Views
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Jesus...I REALLY need to read everything before I start posting. - 10/11/2011 01:54:11 AM 891 Views
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original ? - 10/11/2011 08:10:30 PM 908 Views
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*NM* - 10/11/2011 11:21:59 PM 410 Views
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I had everything messed up anyway *NM* - 12/11/2011 10:45:54 PM 426 Views
Vote: Beetnemisis/RBIRL - 11/11/2011 02:04:35 AM 823 Views
Hey people sorry for the unexpected RBIRL - 11/11/2011 11:47:11 AM 983 Views
RBIRL here too. - 11/11/2011 01:34:45 PM 746 Views
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Fox investigated ? and found him innocent *NM* - 11/11/2011 10:41:39 PM 407 Views
Vote: ? - 11/11/2011 10:46:43 PM 761 Views
Yeah, that seems logical next step, Vote: ? - 13/11/2011 02:59:25 AM 1083 Views
mrr, vote ? then *NM* - 13/11/2011 10:27:49 AM 582 Views
Think my vote was on ? already. - 13/11/2011 04:26:49 PM 884 Views
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That should be lynch with yours, so... - 14/11/2011 03:07:36 AM 814 Views
? Has been lynched - 14/11/2011 03:50:31 AM 971 Views
Game ends. - 14/11/2011 10:25:04 PM 847 Views
Role list: - 14/11/2011 10:26:32 PM 889 Views
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Kronin originally RC as a Tracker so we might have done better if we had been able to continue *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:06:07 AM 422 Views
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That might have worked but everyone would have had targets - 15/11/2011 02:20:43 AM 934 Views
Maybe, but I still would have known he was guilty. *NM* - 15/11/2011 02:55:43 AM 395 Views
You were paranoid, amusingly enough. - 15/11/2011 02:59:43 AM 855 Views
Ya there was no hope for us *NM* - 15/11/2011 12:04:06 AM 430 Views
YAY! - 14/11/2011 10:48:54 PM 828 Views
Wow. *NM* - 15/11/2011 01:09:28 AM 488 Views
Also I would like to be added to the list of future Moderator - 15/11/2011 12:07:51 AM 715 Views
You'd have first dibs via our order of precedence system - 15/11/2011 02:05:04 AM 969 Views
Also whoever Mods should probably post a recruitment thread on some other NBs - 15/11/2011 02:50:02 AM 891 Views
I expect my next game to draw in some new players. - 15/11/2011 02:58:59 AM 855 Views
More is better, okay that would be Hieshyn or Beet then, unless ? wants to toss in - 15/11/2011 03:26:25 AM 835 Views
Nope I'm not ready to mod yet... - 15/11/2011 08:29:24 PM 768 Views
hey - 15/11/2011 09:46:28 PM 720 Views
It's Hieshyn's if he wants it, otherwise I can go next. - 15/11/2011 12:40:13 PM 885 Views
I'm not ready to go next - 15/11/2011 02:43:07 PM 963 Views
Aight, I think it's me then. - 15/11/2011 03:15:21 PM 727 Views
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Deathless Mafia? Is that a thing? SQUEE, Mistborn! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:15:49 PM 384 Views
If it wasn't a thing before, it is now! *NM* - 15/11/2011 10:53:14 PM 385 Views
ooooh - 15/11/2011 11:27:26 PM 768 Views
You've got a week to read the last 2....GO, GO, GO!! *NM* - 15/11/2011 11:43:21 PM 409 Views
hah! i could read both in two days - 16/11/2011 07:56:58 PM 797 Views
Just for you, the game shall be spoiler free! *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:12:24 AM 381 Views
Speaking of which, any timeline yet? - 19/11/2011 07:25:11 PM 787 Views
Sounds fantastic - 16/11/2011 12:10:06 AM 935 Views
That could also be fantastic. *NM* - 16/11/2011 12:13:29 AM 431 Views
I AM ALL SORTS OF PUMPED. *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:38 PM 453 Views
Though may or may not actually be playing... *NM* - 16/11/2011 09:11:58 PM 387 Views
Before the next game starts, we probably need to discuss RC coding - 15/11/2011 02:15:27 AM 1067 Views
Yeah, I really didn't like that idea. - 15/11/2011 02:58:21 AM 1157 Views
An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:08:17 AM 972 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:36:38 AM 862 Views
Re: An informal agreement is probably the way to go then - 15/11/2011 03:43:39 AM 1206 Views
I really didn't like it either. - 16/11/2011 06:20:33 PM 852 Views
I liked my plan: Random voting ftw! *NM* - 16/11/2011 06:29:07 PM 425 Views

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