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Re: My take: Fox and Ravens Send a noteboard - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM

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Seems pretty obvious that I'm in the beginning stages of being bussed. Isaac was incredibly eager to grasp at the first straw he could to implicate someone. You'll note that I had absolutely no suspicion of him, and that my comments were pretty mild- and yet as soon as I mentioned the possibility of multiple groups, or multiple serial killers, he wanted to kill me off as quickly as possible.

(For reasons why I suspect there might be multiple factions, check my post, but it boils down to that Bergioyn wanted us to have specifically 12 people)

So, simply because of that I suspect Isaac.

Moreover, if you check out how he's acted this game, it's definitely been in an "Isaac-scum" way.

Veterans can back me up on this, but Isaac (whether scum or town) characteristically:

  • Never lies if he can at all help it.
  • Use a large amount of charts/analysis

However, when Isaac is scum, a third item is added:

  • Use said charts and analysis to direct attention away from him and his compatriots, or to use only seemingly helpful charts and analysis.

That third item is key. Look at his first survey: it was about names, and whether anyone had any significant names. Here's the thing- he already had a name. He KNEW that his name wasn't significant, and didn't indicate anything.

Since he knew that his name didn't have any meaning behind it, it's extremely unlikely that anyone else would have a name like "Mustache McBadGuy" or "Doc Torperson"


Obviously this is all pretty circumstantial, but I feel pretty confident.

Isaac tried to seem helpful with a useless survey, then tried to lynch the first available target (i.e. me) when I made a guess at a possible role.

Vote: Isaac


I really don't see it. It wasn't a useless an entirely survey and yeah, it was based off of stuff he knew about his own character. It was info gathering and that is usually what happens on day 1. General questions are asked about role messages and people discuss what they can. I don't see how what Isaac did here differed any more from other games, scum or town.

Go Hokies!

CS/CpE. Yay engineering!
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Re: Vote: Hobo - 01/08/2013 10:44:27 AM 1821 Views
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If I remember correctly he had some dastatdly plot to catch the scum. - 01/08/2013 04:32:51 PM 1777 Views
He was very unclear on tha tpoint after the fact - 01/08/2013 11:27:00 PM 1813 Views
No, his plan was actually pretty good. - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 AM 1905 Views
How is that a good plan? - 06/08/2013 06:37:24 AM 1939 Views
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Rules are made to be broken. *NM* - 30/07/2013 06:51:38 PM 1047 Views
But is this rule able to be broken? *NM* - 30/07/2013 06:54:22 PM 1021 Views
Sure. Last time he lost was game 29. *NM* - 30/07/2013 09:32:45 PM 994 Views
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I vaguely remember the Marvel game, but not any specifics... *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:55:24 PM 1027 Views
I do... - 05/08/2013 04:25:10 AM 1704 Views
Rule #2: Isaac is always suspected, but not lynched. *NM* - 30/07/2013 10:32:57 PM 1038 Views
Isaac is like the German Soccer team in this. - 01/08/2013 10:45:39 AM 1640 Views
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(here) *NM* - 29/07/2013 11:03:26 PM 1009 Views
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Activate! *NM* - 31/07/2013 03:03:50 AM 1013 Views
Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg - 01/08/2013 10:35:51 AM 1718 Views
Re: Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg - 01/08/2013 11:06:23 AM 1739 Views
Okay, getting moving (Table) - 01/08/2013 11:45:30 PM 1841 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* - 02/08/2013 02:32:52 AM 1004 Views
Yes, No, No - 02/08/2013 08:54:12 AM 1774 Views
Re: Yes, No, No - 02/08/2013 09:50:24 AM 1675 Views
Yeah, my name's a real one too, just not logically related to anything in the game. *NM* - 02/08/2013 07:17:42 PM 997 Views
Same here. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:54:10 PM 962 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* - 02/08/2013 01:03:24 PM 975 Views
Yes, no, no *NM* - 02/08/2013 08:26:52 PM 933 Views
yes, no, no *NM* - 03/08/2013 01:10:00 AM 1004 Views
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Well I'm reasonably sure some of them will either answer other then yes, no, no or lie - 03/08/2013 12:29:34 PM 1750 Views
Yes. No. No. - 04/08/2013 09:02:49 AM 1631 Views
Re: Yes. No. No. - 04/08/2013 11:19:03 AM 1696 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* - 03/08/2013 11:06:41 PM 1011 Views
Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:52:11 PM 880 Views
Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:52:47 PM 967 Views
Dangit, I hate when I double post. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:53:29 PM 1015 Views
Yes, No No *NM* - 05/08/2013 03:28:03 AM 1036 Views
Sorry I didn't have anything new to add... *NM* - 05/08/2013 03:29:28 AM 950 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* - 06/08/2013 12:46:10 AM 957 Views
I might as well Unvote before I forget - 02/08/2013 03:32:43 PM 1678 Views
EBWOP - 02/08/2013 03:33:23 PM 1650 Views
Vote: Isaac - 03/08/2013 05:09:47 AM 1771 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 03/08/2013 07:32:48 AM 1697 Views
The "... and people die" part is probably accurate though *NM* - 03/08/2013 12:32:40 PM 965 Views
Correlation does not equal causation . *NM* - 03/08/2013 05:42:30 PM 987 Views
Precisely *NM* - 04/08/2013 11:22:52 AM 975 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 05/08/2013 08:31:03 PM 1764 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:40:24 AM 1702 Views
Baaaack~ - 03/08/2013 11:26:57 PM 1713 Views
Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 07:03:07 PM 1746 Views
Well - 05/08/2013 07:25:22 PM 1677 Views
That is correct - 05/08/2013 07:35:24 PM 1700 Views
Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 09:42:23 PM 1761 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:09:48 PM 1808 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:20:02 PM 1771 Views
I posted I was back.... NLRBIRL *NM* - 05/08/2013 10:25:58 PM 927 Views
Yeah, I missed that. Sorry *NM* - 06/08/2013 03:13:11 AM 1002 Views
What's the NL for? RBIRL Real Busy in Real Life, NL=? - 06/08/2013 08:56:16 AM 1745 Views
Oh, duh, "No Longer" RBIRL *NM* - 06/08/2013 08:57:15 AM 969 Views
Yup *NM* - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 PM 1006 Views
would be a very awkward abbreviation - 07/08/2013 10:05:17 AM 1665 Views
Re: Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 08:26:01 PM 1875 Views
Agreed. Random lynches seem like a last resort to me. - 05/08/2013 08:55:59 PM 1783 Views
Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:52:25 AM 1826 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 06:59:26 AM 1748 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 10:01:18 AM 1748 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:56:47 PM 1849 Views
I didn't have anything either. *NM* - 06/08/2013 01:02:46 PM 996 Views
No, I'm sorry, I don't - 06/08/2013 02:33:58 PM 1810 Views
No appearance was described in my role message. *NM* - 06/08/2013 08:45:51 PM 990 Views
Nope. *NM* - 07/08/2013 07:23:00 PM 996 Views
No, nothing on appearance *NM* - 07/08/2013 09:02:11 PM 1006 Views
I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM 1743 Views
List of remarks by the 'accused', plus some remarks on them - 06/08/2013 08:51:15 AM 1906 Views
explanation - 06/08/2013 09:05:55 AM 1782 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:47:35 AM 1810 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:59:45 AM 1820 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 01:28:49 PM 1746 Views
I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 06/08/2013 10:00:22 AM 1819 Views
Re: I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 07/08/2013 07:48:34 PM 1719 Views
Your questions - 06/08/2013 02:59:16 PM 1804 Views
I apparently answered your questions backwards - 06/08/2013 03:06:06 PM 1783 Views
I would look at it a bit differently, even if the outcome doesn't change that much - 06/08/2013 03:55:12 PM 1815 Views
Well, I'm impressed - 06/08/2013 04:11:31 PM 1729 Views
I thank you for the compliment. - 06/08/2013 09:51:54 PM 1791 Views
Re: I thank you for the compliment. - 07/08/2013 01:53:25 AM 1719 Views
Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 11:08:21 AM 1732 Views
Re: Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 01:01:55 PM 1765 Views
Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 09:46:26 PM 1809 Views
I think you just killed Beetnemesis *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:56:16 PM 985 Views
Better him than me . *NM* - 07/08/2013 11:16:29 PM 982 Views
Re: Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 11:32:12 PM 1711 Views
nice analysis - 07/08/2013 10:25:20 AM 1659 Views
Like I said before, Tables=Death - 06/08/2013 07:20:07 PM 1770 Views
Re: Like I said before, Tables=Death - 06/08/2013 08:22:47 PM 1695 Views
Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 03:37:36 PM 1663 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:11:04 PM 1728 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:43:12 PM 1770 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 05:34:04 PM 1738 Views
He really is... - 07/08/2013 04:55:59 PM 1713 Views
Re: He really is... - 07/08/2013 08:36:44 PM 1760 Views
Hm, that's not quite what I was thinking when I said that - 08/08/2013 08:49:11 PM 1623 Views
BAMF? - 07/08/2013 06:31:59 PM 1672 Views
It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:38:24 PM 1789 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:42:30 PM 1797 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:45:49 PM 1763 Views
When it comes to Marvel, it's Spidey and Deadpool all the way! X-Men. Pffft. - 07/08/2013 10:38:41 PM 1694 Views
Dr Doom was always my favorite hero in Marvel, but Deadpool is pretty cool *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:52:39 PM 932 Views
Dr Doom has cool costume, but other than that I don't know much about him. - 07/08/2013 11:37:09 PM 1678 Views
He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, only much cooler - 07/08/2013 11:48:00 PM 1688 Views
I'd actually say he's a bit more like Marvel's Superman than Marvel's Lex Luthor. - 07/08/2013 11:54:14 PM 1784 Views
I'm not a Marvel fan, but Doom is amazing. - 07/08/2013 11:52:09 PM 1672 Views
OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1783 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1772 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 1724 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1752 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1794 Views
Re: - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 1697 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 1664 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 1059 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 1695 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1703 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 1663 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1716 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 1697 Views
re - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1724 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1712 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1707 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1756 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1726 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1835 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 1632 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 1635 Views
The problem with that - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1716 Views
Re: The problem with that - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 1713 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 1679 Views
That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 1712 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1713 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 1688 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 1663 Views
My take: - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1853 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1724 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 1678 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1739 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 1600 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 1664 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 1660 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 1666 Views
No, he's correct. - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1806 Views
Re: My take: - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1790 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 1646 Views
sure - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 1717 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1805 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1728 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1763 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1726 Views
I disagree - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 1670 Views
Re: I disagree - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 1674 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 1699 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 1702 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1759 Views
No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 1666 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 1695 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 965 Views
That's awesome. *NM* - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 957 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 1631 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 1703 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 1566 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1715 Views
I do, but - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 1672 Views
RBIRL - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 1696 Views
The case on Beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1826 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1713 Views
EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1815 Views
Actually... - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1776 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 1056 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1847 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1790 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1699 Views
Correct me if wrong... - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1743 Views
Exactly! - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1764 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1707 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1824 Views
I think you're right. - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1948 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1713 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1769 Views
too much mud - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1795 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1881 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1715 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 1699 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 1664 Views
Yes. *NM* - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 853 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1777 Views

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