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No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM

... when majority already had, not even removing the currently inactives.


View original postI've been occupied trying to disperse your smokescreen.

Yes, my 'smokescreen' that nobody but you seems to think exists.


View original postMy role is Tracker- I can follow someone and see who they targetted that night.

Ah, well I suppose cop is too risky and doc too likely to result in one of us demanding no one counterclaim it as a potential suicide bomb. I enjoy more creative claims though, not that tracker is.

So, game of 12, tracker, a plausible role, the games just big enough to make that doable and the tracker is just common enough to be plausible yet just uncommon enough for it not to be a serious risk for someone needing a fake claim right now or else dead.

Did you know? I used to keep track of all the fake claims people made and 'generic non-cop investigator' nearly matched vanilla itself for most common fake claim, with Tracker being most of those generic investigator claims. The ratio rises when its a single-person coerced claim, since they know they need more than vanilla, losing a vanilla just isn't as big a deal as losing an investigator role. I've always thought watcher was better, myself.

We'll let the others examine the plausibility of your claim, but let's reexamine your motives now. Let's start by clarifying that your whole argument relies on me pressing you hard for knowing something while you claimed you didn't.

But... that's not true is it?

You understand that a tracker, simply by existing, typically indicates the town has been given extra investigation powers to counteract a more powerful scum threat?

Of course you do, that's Mafia 101 stuff.

If I were a tracker I might think the scum were more potent and numerous then the default, again, Mafia 101 stuff. I might write up a post indicating that, intentionally or not. You get that right?

So, I'm you now, and I'm a tracker, and I write a post that has various scum configurations similar only in that they are all more powerful then the default.

Now a player writes and says, "I think you know something, out with it"

Do you know how I'd respond? I'll tell you, I'd go to myself "Oh, crap, he's right, I do know something about our setup, my very role itself indicates more powerful scum and that slipped into my writing, my theories all assume they are. Crap."

Then I'd write back:

"I don't want to get into specifics, but I've cause to think we may be facing more powerful scum then the default, its not conclusive and I'd rather not say how, but it probably influenced my writing."

That's not what you did though, making me dubious as to your claim to say the least. No, even though you're a veteran of nearly a score of games you presumably missed the clear implication of your role, enough not to see it even when I hung a giant lantern on it. This, again, is Mafia 101, if you get a tracker RM you assume there is probably a cop and that the scum are probably more potent then the norm, that is 'Specific Knowledge' about their make up and matches what you were tossing aorund.

So... we are left with exactly two options:

1) You are a tracker and I was 100% right when I said you clearly had specific knowledge, yet you reacted to that post you should absolutely have recognized was totally true with extreme defensiveness and counter-accusations. The result of which is that either you missed that basic truth, in which case it implies a lack of insight way at odds with the great insight you claim while discussing my own motives, or you've willfully chosen to ignore the implication.

2) You are lying.

Neither of those options looks too good for you.

Now... do you possess any other knowledge you would like to share? Did your hypothetical tracker RM containing any other information which, with that out of the bag, you think may have even a remote chance of being useful.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1039 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1094 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 1010 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1076 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1123 Views
Re: - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 998 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 966 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 731 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 1009 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1029 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 997 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1015 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 994 Views
re - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1030 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1037 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1053 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1055 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1018 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1147 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 941 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 946 Views
The problem with that - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1031 Views
Re: The problem with that - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 995 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 970 Views
That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 985 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1055 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 983 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 984 Views
My take: - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1168 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1060 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 995 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1047 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 912 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 997 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 1001 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 920 Views
No, he's correct. - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1092 Views
Re: My take: - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1077 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 960 Views
sure - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 982 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1074 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1012 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1089 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1037 Views
I disagree - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 986 Views
Re: I disagree - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 969 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 1002 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 994 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1036 Views
No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 964 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 991 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 639 Views
That's awesome. *NM* - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 634 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 962 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 1000 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 884 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1022 Views
I do, but - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 987 Views
RBIRL - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 1010 Views
The case on Beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1111 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1025 Views
EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1066 Views
Actually... - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1031 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 710 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1122 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1068 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1013 Views
Correct me if wrong... - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1050 Views
Exactly! - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1064 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1021 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1094 Views
I think you're right. - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1234 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1010 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1045 Views
too much mud - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1109 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1181 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1022 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 984 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 981 Views
Yes. *NM* - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 507 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1078 Views

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